Wonderwall - opinions

[beesonthewhatnow]

The first track on their first album is great (Rock And Roll Star). It all went downhill from there really.

That said, Noel is by all accounts a top bloke and thoroughly entertaining company. My mate was their FOH engineer for years (still does both of their solo shows now) and has enough tales to last a lifetime

 

[clcat]

So? It's not possible to be objective.

i disagree but never mind

 

[clcat]

The first track on their first album is great (Rock And Roll Star). It all went downhill from there really.

That said, Noel is by all accounts a top bloke and thoroughly entertaining company. My mate was their FOH engineer for years (still does both of their solo shows now) and has enough tales to last a lifetime

Noel Gallagher, future PM?

 

[ska invita]

Noel Gallagher, future PM?

the thread has shown us hes a tory and a thatcherite though - not sure the tories are ready for him

sorry, on the sleaford mods thread

 

[Orang Utan]

i disagree but never mind

I do mind. It's absurd that you think it's possible.

 

[jakethesnake]

Douglass Adams, in an interview not long before his death, was asked if he thought Oasis were as talented as the Beatles. He was incredulous and said something along the lines of 'they're not even as talented as The Ruttles!' They were about as derivative as The Ruttles though.

 

[clcat]

I do mind. It's absurd that you think it's possible.

Agree to disagree?

 

[butchersapron]

Douglass Adams, in an interview not long before his death, was asked if he thought Oasis were as talented as the Beatles. He was incredulous and said something along the lines of 'they're not even as talented as The Ruttles!' They were about as derivative as The Ruttles though.

Another band they ripped off.

 

[free spirit]

And the condition of sale being that they ran the label and mcgee fucked off into the background and left them to it. Which he did.

Granted sony were probably doing most of the back office stuff, promo, PR, international sales and marketing etc but McGee always seemed pretty front and centre for creation throughout the 90s.

 

[clcat]

Douglass Adams, in an interview not long before his death, was asked if he thought Oasis were as talented as the Beatles. He was incredulous and said something along the lines of 'they're not even as talented as The Ruttles!' They were about as derivative as The Ruttles though.

The fact that Oasis are being credibly compared to the Beatles is kind of a compliment to them in itself as the Beatles are pretty hard to compete against for any band.

 

[Orang Utan]

Agree to disagree?

No, I want you back up what you are saying. Are you really saying it is possible to objectively rate art?

 

[clcat]

No, I want you back up what you are saying. Are you really saying it is possible to objectively rate art?

You are missing my point entirely.

I'm talking about objectively acknowledging a bands success via music sales, number of sell out stadium gigs, awards etc.

I think you are on another tangent altogether.

Hope this clears this matter for you.

 

[ska invita]

The fact that Oasis are being credibly compared to the Beatles is kind of a compliment to them in itself as the Beatles are pretty hard to compete against for any band.

understatement of the decade
the only reason they are compared with the beatles is because they ripped them off so much, and magically turned what they took into mor rock -

 

[jakethesnake]

The fact that Oasis are being credibly compared to the Beatles is kind of a compliment to them in itself as the Beatles are pretty hard to compete against for any band.

No, it was just bollocks popular culture hype in the '90s. They were never credibly compared to the Beatles. That was why Adams was incredulous.

 

[free spirit]

You are missing my point entirely.

I'm talking about objectively acknowledging a bands success via music sales, number of sell out stadium gigs, awards etc.

I think you are on another tangent altogether.

Hope this clears this matter for you.

yeah, but I think Orang's point is that success does not necessarily equal actually being any good.

see for example S Club 7

 

[ska invita]

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[clcat]

yeah, but I think Orang's point is that success does not necessarily equal actually being any good.

see for example S Club 7

Not sure what Orang's point is

 

[free spirit]

understatement of the decade
the only reason they are compared with the beatles is because they ripped them off so much, and magically turned what they took into mor rock -

more down to their own hyperbole, where they made the comparison themselves

“It's really important to be bigger than the Beatles,” Liam said in 1996. “I think we're better than the Beatles. … They ain't the best band in the world – we are.

which I always took as just being fucking brilliant PR hype material, and they would have known that / had creation telling them to keep doing it etc.

 

[clcat]

understatement of the decade
the only reason they are compared with the beatles is because they ripped them off so much, and magically turned what they took into mor rock -

Don't think Oasis broke it in U.S, unlike the Beatles either

 

[Orang Utan]

You are missing my point entirely.

I'm talking about objectively acknowledging a bands success via music sales, number of sell out stadium gigs, awards etc.

I think you are on another tangent altogether.

Hope this clears this matter for you.

Ok, but success does not indicate quality as Oasis' success testifies

 

[clcat]

Ok, but success does not indicate quality as Oasis' success testifies

In your subjective opinion

 

[Orang Utan]

In your subjective opinion

What is the point of saying that?

 

[clcat]

What is the point of saying that?

This is circular arguing now tbh

 

[free spirit]

yeah, but I think Orang's point is that success does not necessarily equal actually being any good.

see for example S Club 7

although thinking about it, I'd have to say that the audience for Oasis was generally a lot more musically literate than for S club 7, which was mainly preteens led by saturday morning tv and Just 17 or whatever, rather than the NME reading indiekids who were oasis's core fan base originally anyway.

 

[Orang Utan]

This is circular arguing now tbh

This is the music forum. We need subjective opinions to be able to enjoy discussing it. How dull it would be if we were to just compare sales.

 

[tufty79]

What is the point of saying that?

Let them play with their new word

 

[Orang Utan]

The OP asked for opinions, so it seems daft to dismiss any for being subjective.

 

[clcat]

This is the music forum. We need subjective opinions to be able to enjoy discussing it. How dull it would be if we were to just compare sales.

 

[Fez909]

My dad hated them at the time, but he has awful music tastes so I didn't think anything of it.

Now he loves them, which means I was right not to think anything of it, but wrong to think it was because they were ace.

Radio 2 voted one of their albums the "best in the past 30 years". Radio 2. Says it all. And it wasn't even Definitely Maybe.

 

[clcat]

Oasis were one of the most successful bands in UK history and their music still sells today and is played on the radio to date.

That says it all tbh.