Wonderwall - opinions

[JTG]

or
"I suppose 50% of that (stealing from the Beatles) is in there to wind people up and the other 50% of it is saying look, this is how songs like 'Don't Look Back in Anger' come about is because of songs like 'Imagine'. It's also for the 15 year old who's never heard Imagine and he might go Imagine? I've never heard of that and he might go out and buy the album."

Grooming kids for further depravity

 

[Fez909]

was just reading someones theory of all the ripped off Oasis tunes and wanted to check this one as its a blatant ripoff of Teach THe World To Sing

They were sued by Coke for that (Coke own the rights) and they paid up, so there's no question of it being a rip off. They even sing it with the New Seekers lyrics when doing it live.

 

[clcat]

They were sued by Coke for that (Coke own the rights) and they paid up, so there's no question of it being a rip off. They even sing it with the New Seekers lyrics when doing it live.

Didn't know about that

 

[twentythreedom]

Shit name too, "Oasis"

 

[free spirit]

i've been glancing thorugh a few interviews with noel...one he says that every song they made before about 1999 was written and recorded whilst he was totally out of his mind. he used to write ALL of the songs out of his box on drugs

and then they went shit.

I was well into Oasis back in 6th form, 93-95 or so, the first album for me still stands up as a great indie album, 2nd more of a good stadium anthemic rock album (which was less of my thing, but I think I still prefer them to the likes of coldplay) fuck knows about the rest of them, I'm not sure I ever owned them.

Had a best of album on in the van the other day, and found myself skipping a hell of a lot of tracks, but not really the ones from the first album or some of the 2nd though.

Think I like wonderwall partly because it only makes sense with a wonky head, but with a wonky head it makes total sense. If that makes any sense.

Coming from the rave generation where most of the music was sampled anyway, I quite liked that aspect of Oasis, saw it more as knowing nods to what had gone before, and giving their own spin on it rather than ripping it off.

 

[ska invita]

it doesnt really matter that they rip tunes off so much - its all about the attitude they do it with i think, Liams especially, and thats a bit ripped off and studied too, but he does have a lot of character

 

[Fez909]

Didn't know about that

I thought it was common knowledge, but then I was a massive fanboy so maybe only other fanboys knew about it.

 

[BigMoaner]

"what is wonderwall about noel?"

"it's about nothing. but a nothing that i know and understand".

 

[Treacle Toes]

Shit name too, "Oasis"

Have the deserts of the world sued them yet?

 

[BigMoaner]

has there been a band in the last 20 years from a more deprived childhood? has no relevance on tehir value, but always struck at how grim it was for them growing up.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Would be a good name for a wallpaper or insulation company.

 

[twentythreedom]

has there been a band in the last 20 years from a more deprived childhood? has no relevance on tehir value, but always struck at how grim it was for them growing up.

We all feel their pain

 

[Ted Striker]

So QED - its a shit song. Shit lyrics, Shit tune, shit arrangement, shit band.

 

[BigMoaner]

x 6

 

[BigMoaner]

driving round their old manor

 

[Ted Striker]

It's only a guilty pleasure FFS. The people taking it so seriously (comparisons to the Smiths and the War and Peace article by the twat clinging onto the tiniest of influences/samples is a particular fave) is the biggest appeal of the whole Oasis thing.

 

[Gromit]

Mediocre mid paced drivel that was played - and drunkenly sung - everywhere in the mid 90s.

The lyrics are shit in an annoying way. Lyrics dont have to have a definite meaning - but Wonderwall, being a ballad of sorts with the words to the fore - presents itself as saying something (think of Dylan's ballads) but its just throwing Lyrics of extreme biegeness at the listeners.

Songs are primarily emotive - Think of the lyrics of the great sixties pop soul songs - stop! - in the name of love, reach out - I'll be there - you keep me hanging on - Baby Im sad - Im sadder than sad - take my tears and thats not nearly all - If a women could die of tears - Hey little thing, let me light your candle 'Cause mama I'm sure hard to handle, now, yessir'am.

But the lyrics of wonderwall dont suggest any discernable emotion - no yearning or loss or sadness or fear or excitement or desperation or anger. "maybe - your gonner be the one that save's me" is probably the strongest statement - and thats just a vauge musing with no context (save him from what?)

The melody is similarly dull - but simple enough to be easily remembered. So the combination is the musical equivalent of a Vetriano painting - it gives a sense of profundity whilst delivering absolutely nothing - but sells by the truck load to people with no taste/ears.

Here's a great lyric - " But i'd still leap in front of a flying bullet for you" (the smiths 'what difference does it make?'). There's not a single line in wonderwall - or any of Noel Gallaghers scribbling - that comes within a million miles of that - yet with morrisey they were a dime a dozen ( a simlar parrallel could be drawn with Marrs guitar playing and Oasis' workmanlike scrubbing).

So QED - its a shit song. Shit lyrics, Shit tune, shit arrangement, shit band.

Hah hah hah hah hahaha hahahahahahhahahahhaa.

You think lyric are important. /Points!

Hahahhhahahahahhahahaha.

 

[clcat]

Shit name too, "Oasis"

How subjective

 

[Orang Utan]

has there been a band in the last 20 years from a more deprived childhood? has no relevance on tehir value, but always struck at how grim it was for them growing up.

Yes of course

 

[BigMoaner]

Yes of course

you're right, there no doubt are, but successful ones? they're the most working class successful rock bank i think i've known in that period

 

[clcat]

"Noel Gallagher's Favourites"

Noel Gallagher referencing to his handpicked collection of music, films and TV shows.

New to iTunes

"Some might say" he's done pretty good




Great track

 

[starfish]

Fairly average compared to some of their earlier stuff. Its not my favourite of theirs & was played to death. Got really into them in 93 for a few years but havent been able to listen to them since my ex best mate died.

 

[ska invita]

driving round their old manor

looks alright to me
even noels says so

 

[el-ahrairah]

the were the first band to appeal to the working class masses for a long, long time. hardly irrelevant.

lol.

 

[Fez909]

looks alright to me
even noels says so

It is.

 

[BigMoaner]

who says it wasn't?

 

[el-ahrairah]

at least they weren't blur, i guess.

at least oasis were genuine working class talentless plagiarists, unlike those mockney wankers cosplaying our fucking oppressions.

 

[clcat]

at least they weren't blur, i guess.

at least oasis were genuine working class talentless plagiarists, unlike those mockney wankers cosplaying our fucking oppressions.

yet both bands made millions off their respective music.

Talentless?

Hardly.

 

[el-ahrairah]

i mean seriously, i think oasis are fucking terrible and do working class popular culture a huge disservice by being deliberately unimaginative, trite, and revelling in its own ignorance, but at least they never made parklife.

 

[clcat]

i mean seriously, i think oasis are fucking terrible and do working class popular culture a huge disservice by being deliberately unimaginative, trite, and revelling in its own ignorance, but at least they never made parklife.

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