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what about your tonedeaf mates? surely they were into oasis?
Wonderwall - opinions
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Music snobbery is a reflection of its critics rather than the band being criticised
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
that's just added two pages.Music snobbery is a reflection of its critics rather than the band being criticised
ska invita
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is that an oasis lyric?
if you have to ask the question, you already know the answer
i want to take her home with me, and show her how to dance-ah
how many times before we fall
another brick, another ball
you have to cross the wall to find the answer
was just reading someones theory of all the ripped off Oasis tunes and wanted to check this one as its a blatant ripoff of Teach THe World To Sing
I actually genuinely like that one - they actually sound like a rock band on that one
just flicked through a couple more off of Definitely Maybe and i quite like tbh
Wonderwall though, i dont know about that.... its pretty annoying, but then thats often part of making a catchy successful pop tune - the catchiness is annoying
Heres the rip off list btw
Stealography (note: some of the hints are more than vague!)
Definitely Maybe
Shakermaker - Equal parts 'Flying' by The Beatles and the 1971 hit by The New Seekers.
'I'd like to Teach the World to Sing' (or better known as a Coke commercial).
Up In the Sky -- Similar melody to 'Rain' by the Beatles.
Columbia -- R.E.M's 'Finest Workshop' in the verse and a slight hint of Status Quo
'Rocking All over the World'.
Supersonic -- Some say the guitar chord sequence is the same as The Smiths 'How Soon is now'.
The Solo is the same as the solo on "My sweet lord", from George Harrison
(which, on it's time, was also sued by someone else alledging that it was a ripoff.)
(mentioned before) Cigarettes & Alcohol -- 'Get it On' by T-Rex. 'This Song' by George Harrison: similar beginning
Slide Away -- Titled pinched from a song off the first Verve album (A Song in the Heaven).
Also been compared to 'Cortez the Killer' by Neil Young.
Married with Children - Apparently, the chords are the same as 'Lithium' by Nirvana.
Sad Song - Title taken from The Beatles, 'Hey Jude' (*Sonic's note* although The Beatles didn't
coin the phrase Sad Song...)
Whatever -- Neil Innes: How Sweet To Be An Idiot. Beatles: Day In The Life & All You Need Is Love (cello lines)
Monty Python: The Idiot Song. David Bowie/Mott The Hopple: All The Young Dudes.
(What's the Story) Morning Glory?
Hello -- Gary Glitter 'Hello Hello I'm back again' and obviously the guitar intro is 'Wonderwall'.
Also musical similarity to 'Medicine Jar' by the Wings.
Wonderwall -- The title taken from George Harrison. 'Homesick' by The Cure (similar piano part)
Don't Look Back in Anger -- Piano intro is 'Imagine' by John Lennon. In the end of the song
there's a guitar doing the melody line for David Bowie's 'All The Young Dudes'.
Here's a Noel quote on people's reactions to Oasis using that piano bit on the song:
Quote:
"I suppose 50% of that (stealing from the Beatles) is in there to wind people up and the other
50% of it is saying look, this is how songs like 'Don't Look Back in Anger' come about is because
of songs like 'Imagine'. It's also for the 15 year old who's never heard Imagine and he might go
Imagine? I've never heard of that and he might go out and buy the album."
Hey Now -- Stone Roses, 'I wanna be adored'
Swamp Song - Canned Heat's 'On the Road Again'.
Some Might Say -- 'Ohh La La' by the Small Faces. chords similar to "Cigarettes & alcohol"
She's Electric -- Refrain is taken from British TV program 'You and Me'. The vocal harmony on
the end echoes from The Beatles' 'With a Little Help from My Friends'
Morning Glory -- the same chords as R.E.M's 'The One I love', beginning similar to "Soul To Squeeze" from RHCP
Champagne Supernova -- similar guitar solo as 'Bring It On Home' by Led Zeppelin
Be Here Now
D'You Know What I Mean? -- Oasis rips themselves off on this one using the same chords as
'Wonderwall'.
Magic Pie -- 'Cry Baby Cry' by The Beatles
Stand By Me -- Chorus melody is Mott the Hopple's (Bowie) 'All the Young Dudes'
The Girl In The Dirty Shirt -- 'Cry Baby Cry' by The Beatles. 'Heart Of Stone' by Neil YOung (similar intro)
Don't Go Away -- similar intro as in 'One' by U2.
All Around the World -- The ending is similiar to The Beatles' 'Hey Jude'
The Masterplan
Acquiesce -- same vocal meldody as in the verses of 'I Only Want To Be With You' by Dusty Springfield.
Underneath The Sky -- Blondie: Call Me - The Kinks: ...Street
Talk Tonight -- Nirvana: 'On a Plain' inspired lyrics 'Sleeping on a plane, you know you can't complain/
I'm on a plain, I can't complain'.
Going Nowhere -- 'Comfortably Numb' by Pink Floyd has the same pre-chorus (bridge) melody.
Fade Away -- 'Pretty Vacant' by the Sex Pistols. Wham: 'Freedom'- Part of the melody is the same
Half the World Away -- The chords are the same as 'This Guys in Love with You' by Burt Bacharach,
only Noel plays them backwards.
Headshrinker -- The Small Faces 'Stay With Me' !!
The Masterplan -- Taurus: 'Spirit' (note Led Zeppelins Stairway To Heaven was based on this song)
SOTSOG
Fuckin In The Bushes -- 'Little Miss Lover' by Jimi Hendrix: drum intro is direct borrow. 'The Knock On Effect'
by U.N.K.L.E. (note: Noel plays lead guitar on this song)
Go Let it Out -- similar mellotron on 'Strawberry Fields Forever' The Beatles.
'Book of Rules' by Bob Weir & The Midnites: a blatant lift of the lyrics
'Walk On Gilded Splinters' by Duane Allman & Johnny Jenkins: Jenkins is co-credited
Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is -- The Doors, 'Roadhouse Blues'
(both the resemblance in lyrics, vocal line and music)
Little James -- vocal melody similar to 'More Than Us' by Travis
Gas Panic ! -- 'When The Levee Breaks' - Led Zeppelin: Noel said this has a heavy Led Zeppelin feel to it
'Sunflower' - Paul Weller: chorus melody is similar. 'Pictures Of Lily' - The Who: music is uncannily similar
Where Did It All Go Wrong? -- 'Sunflower' by Paul Weller
Roll It Over -- 'Live And Let Die' - Paul McCartney: pre-chorus melody is similar
Heathen Chemistry
The Hindu Times -- Guitar from 'Same Size Feet' by Stereophonics.
Does Your Mother Know - ABBA: similar guitar riff at the beginning.
Force of Nature -- 'Nightclubbing' by Iggy Pop is used in the opening.
Hung In A Bad Place -- 'No Fun' - Iggy Pop & The Stooges: main riffs are very similar
Songbird (Demo) -- 'I Should Have Known Better' - The Beatles: harmonica is uncannily similar
Little By Little -- Ending is similiar from the Oasis song 'Champagne Supernova'.
(Probably) All In The Mind -- 'Rain' - The Beatles: heavily based on this Beatles classic
'Waterfall' - The Stone Roses: bass lines are similar
Born on a Different Cloud -- Borrows from 'Working Class Hero' by John Lennon and has similiar
structure to The Beatles' 'Happiness is a Warm Gun'.
'Drive' - REM: similar guitar fills on the outro
Better Man -- Opening is similar to 'Cold Turkey' by John Lennon. 'It's So Hard' -
John Lennon: guitar intro is similar. 'Don't Want To Be A Soldier Mama' - John Lennon: music and chorus
uncannily alike. 'Love Spreads' - The Stone Roses: music is similar
The Cage -- Black Sabbath - 'War Pigs': similar music
Don't Believe The Truth
Turn Up The Sun -- intro from the movie Midnight Cowboy
Mucky Fingers -- "Waiting For My Man" by Velvet Underground.
Lyla -- vocal melody from "Street Fightin Man" by the Rolling Stones.
Guess God Thinks I'm Abel -- Verse melody stolen from "I Wanna Be Your Man" written by Lennon/McCartney.
The Meaning Of Soul -- shares vocals with Rolling Stones' "Jumpin' Jack Flash"
Part Of The Queue -- "Golden Brown" by The Stranglers.
A Bell Will Ring -- similar drum pattern as in "Tomorrow Never Knows" by The Beatles.
other & b-sides
Alive -- Guitar solo is said to be the same as 'Girl Afraid' by The Smiths.
(As Long As They've Got) Cigarettes In Hell -- 'Dear Prudence' - The Beatles: similar guitar solos
Cloudburst -- 'Standing Here' by The Stone Roses. 'You Sexy Thing' - Hot Chocolate:
riff is uncannily similar to the outro of the demo version
Round Are Way -- this song is said to bear resemblance to 'Lazy Sunday' by The Small Faces. I've
also read that it's been compared to Solomon Burkes 'Everybody Needs Somebody to Love'.
Step Out - 'Uptight' by Stevie Wonder, the chorus is exactly the same, even the "Alright!" at
the end of the line is repeated and 'Rosalee' by Thin Lizzy (Bob Seger), one of the members of
Thin Lizzy is also credited.
Take Me Away -- Man On The Moon - REM: outro is uncannily similar
Purple Parallelogram - Evan Dando -- 'Take It Easy' - The Eagles: Noel co-wrote this song; chorus is similar
Setting Sun - The Chemical Brothers -- Tomorrow Never Knows by The Beatles: based around on this song;
thus working title 'Tomorrow Never Noels'.
Scorpio Rising - Death In Vegas -- 'Pictures Of Matchstick Men' - Status Quo: based around on this song;
Status Quo is co-credited.
Definitely Maybe
Shakermaker - Equal parts 'Flying' by The Beatles and the 1971 hit by The New Seekers.
'I'd like to Teach the World to Sing' (or better known as a Coke commercial).
Up In the Sky -- Similar melody to 'Rain' by the Beatles.
Columbia -- R.E.M's 'Finest Workshop' in the verse and a slight hint of Status Quo
'Rocking All over the World'.
Supersonic -- Some say the guitar chord sequence is the same as The Smiths 'How Soon is now'.
The Solo is the same as the solo on "My sweet lord", from George Harrison
(which, on it's time, was also sued by someone else alledging that it was a ripoff.)
(mentioned before) Cigarettes & Alcohol -- 'Get it On' by T-Rex. 'This Song' by George Harrison: similar beginning
Slide Away -- Titled pinched from a song off the first Verve album (A Song in the Heaven).
Also been compared to 'Cortez the Killer' by Neil Young.
Married with Children - Apparently, the chords are the same as 'Lithium' by Nirvana.
Sad Song - Title taken from The Beatles, 'Hey Jude' (*Sonic's note* although The Beatles didn't
coin the phrase Sad Song...)
Whatever -- Neil Innes: How Sweet To Be An Idiot. Beatles: Day In The Life & All You Need Is Love (cello lines)
Monty Python: The Idiot Song. David Bowie/Mott The Hopple: All The Young Dudes.
(What's the Story) Morning Glory?
Hello -- Gary Glitter 'Hello Hello I'm back again' and obviously the guitar intro is 'Wonderwall'.
Also musical similarity to 'Medicine Jar' by the Wings.
Wonderwall -- The title taken from George Harrison. 'Homesick' by The Cure (similar piano part)
Don't Look Back in Anger -- Piano intro is 'Imagine' by John Lennon. In the end of the song
there's a guitar doing the melody line for David Bowie's 'All The Young Dudes'.
Here's a Noel quote on people's reactions to Oasis using that piano bit on the song:
Quote:
"I suppose 50% of that (stealing from the Beatles) is in there to wind people up and the other
50% of it is saying look, this is how songs like 'Don't Look Back in Anger' come about is because
of songs like 'Imagine'. It's also for the 15 year old who's never heard Imagine and he might go
Imagine? I've never heard of that and he might go out and buy the album."
Hey Now -- Stone Roses, 'I wanna be adored'
Swamp Song - Canned Heat's 'On the Road Again'.
Some Might Say -- 'Ohh La La' by the Small Faces. chords similar to "Cigarettes & alcohol"
She's Electric -- Refrain is taken from British TV program 'You and Me'. The vocal harmony on
the end echoes from The Beatles' 'With a Little Help from My Friends'
Morning Glory -- the same chords as R.E.M's 'The One I love', beginning similar to "Soul To Squeeze" from RHCP
Champagne Supernova -- similar guitar solo as 'Bring It On Home' by Led Zeppelin
Be Here Now
D'You Know What I Mean? -- Oasis rips themselves off on this one using the same chords as
'Wonderwall'.
Magic Pie -- 'Cry Baby Cry' by The Beatles
Stand By Me -- Chorus melody is Mott the Hopple's (Bowie) 'All the Young Dudes'
The Girl In The Dirty Shirt -- 'Cry Baby Cry' by The Beatles. 'Heart Of Stone' by Neil YOung (similar intro)
Don't Go Away -- similar intro as in 'One' by U2.
All Around the World -- The ending is similiar to The Beatles' 'Hey Jude'
The Masterplan
Acquiesce -- same vocal meldody as in the verses of 'I Only Want To Be With You' by Dusty Springfield.
Underneath The Sky -- Blondie: Call Me - The Kinks: ...Street
Talk Tonight -- Nirvana: 'On a Plain' inspired lyrics 'Sleeping on a plane, you know you can't complain/
I'm on a plain, I can't complain'.
Going Nowhere -- 'Comfortably Numb' by Pink Floyd has the same pre-chorus (bridge) melody.
Fade Away -- 'Pretty Vacant' by the Sex Pistols. Wham: 'Freedom'- Part of the melody is the same
Half the World Away -- The chords are the same as 'This Guys in Love with You' by Burt Bacharach,
only Noel plays them backwards.
Headshrinker -- The Small Faces 'Stay With Me' !!
The Masterplan -- Taurus: 'Spirit' (note Led Zeppelins Stairway To Heaven was based on this song)
SOTSOG
Fuckin In The Bushes -- 'Little Miss Lover' by Jimi Hendrix: drum intro is direct borrow. 'The Knock On Effect'
by U.N.K.L.E. (note: Noel plays lead guitar on this song)
Go Let it Out -- similar mellotron on 'Strawberry Fields Forever' The Beatles.
'Book of Rules' by Bob Weir & The Midnites: a blatant lift of the lyrics
'Walk On Gilded Splinters' by Duane Allman & Johnny Jenkins: Jenkins is co-credited
Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is -- The Doors, 'Roadhouse Blues'
(both the resemblance in lyrics, vocal line and music)
Little James -- vocal melody similar to 'More Than Us' by Travis
Gas Panic ! -- 'When The Levee Breaks' - Led Zeppelin: Noel said this has a heavy Led Zeppelin feel to it
'Sunflower' - Paul Weller: chorus melody is similar. 'Pictures Of Lily' - The Who: music is uncannily similar
Where Did It All Go Wrong? -- 'Sunflower' by Paul Weller
Roll It Over -- 'Live And Let Die' - Paul McCartney: pre-chorus melody is similar
Heathen Chemistry
The Hindu Times -- Guitar from 'Same Size Feet' by Stereophonics.
Does Your Mother Know - ABBA: similar guitar riff at the beginning.
Force of Nature -- 'Nightclubbing' by Iggy Pop is used in the opening.
Hung In A Bad Place -- 'No Fun' - Iggy Pop & The Stooges: main riffs are very similar
Songbird (Demo) -- 'I Should Have Known Better' - The Beatles: harmonica is uncannily similar
Little By Little -- Ending is similiar from the Oasis song 'Champagne Supernova'.
(Probably) All In The Mind -- 'Rain' - The Beatles: heavily based on this Beatles classic
'Waterfall' - The Stone Roses: bass lines are similar
Born on a Different Cloud -- Borrows from 'Working Class Hero' by John Lennon and has similiar
structure to The Beatles' 'Happiness is a Warm Gun'.
'Drive' - REM: similar guitar fills on the outro
Better Man -- Opening is similar to 'Cold Turkey' by John Lennon. 'It's So Hard' -
John Lennon: guitar intro is similar. 'Don't Want To Be A Soldier Mama' - John Lennon: music and chorus
uncannily alike. 'Love Spreads' - The Stone Roses: music is similar
The Cage -- Black Sabbath - 'War Pigs': similar music
Don't Believe The Truth
Turn Up The Sun -- intro from the movie Midnight Cowboy
Mucky Fingers -- "Waiting For My Man" by Velvet Underground.
Lyla -- vocal melody from "Street Fightin Man" by the Rolling Stones.
Guess God Thinks I'm Abel -- Verse melody stolen from "I Wanna Be Your Man" written by Lennon/McCartney.
The Meaning Of Soul -- shares vocals with Rolling Stones' "Jumpin' Jack Flash"
Part Of The Queue -- "Golden Brown" by The Stranglers.
A Bell Will Ring -- similar drum pattern as in "Tomorrow Never Knows" by The Beatles.
other & b-sides
Alive -- Guitar solo is said to be the same as 'Girl Afraid' by The Smiths.
(As Long As They've Got) Cigarettes In Hell -- 'Dear Prudence' - The Beatles: similar guitar solos
Cloudburst -- 'Standing Here' by The Stone Roses. 'You Sexy Thing' - Hot Chocolate:
riff is uncannily similar to the outro of the demo version
Round Are Way -- this song is said to bear resemblance to 'Lazy Sunday' by The Small Faces. I've
also read that it's been compared to Solomon Burkes 'Everybody Needs Somebody to Love'.
Step Out - 'Uptight' by Stevie Wonder, the chorus is exactly the same, even the "Alright!" at
the end of the line is repeated and 'Rosalee' by Thin Lizzy (Bob Seger), one of the members of
Thin Lizzy is also credited.
Take Me Away -- Man On The Moon - REM: outro is uncannily similar
Purple Parallelogram - Evan Dando -- 'Take It Easy' - The Eagles: Noel co-wrote this song; chorus is similar
Setting Sun - The Chemical Brothers -- Tomorrow Never Knows by The Beatles: based around on this song;
thus working title 'Tomorrow Never Noels'.
Scorpio Rising - Death In Vegas -- 'Pictures Of Matchstick Men' - Status Quo: based around on this song;
Status Quo is co-credited.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Mediocre mid paced drivel that was played - and drunkenly sung - everywhere in the mid 90s.
The lyrics are shit in an annoying way. Lyrics dont have to have a definite meaning - but Wonderwall, being a ballad of sorts with the words to the fore - presents itself as saying something (think of Dylan's ballads) but its just throwing Lyrics of extreme biegeness at the listeners.
Songs are primarily emotive - Think of the lyrics of the great sixties pop soul songs - stop! - in the name of love, reach out - I'll be there - you keep me hanging on - Baby Im sad - Im sadder than sad - take my tears and thats not nearly all - If a women could die of tears - Hey little thing, let me light your candle 'Cause mama I'm sure hard to handle, now, yessir'am.
But the lyrics of wonderwall dont suggest any discernable emotion - no yearning or loss or sadness or fear or excitement or desperation or anger. "maybe - your gonner be the one that save's me" is probably the strongest statement - and thats just a vauge musing with no context (save him from what?)
The melody is similarly dull - but simple enough to be easily remembered. So the combination is the musical equivalent of a Vetriano painting - it gives a sense of profundity whilst delivering absolutely nothing - but sells by the truck load to people with no taste/ears.
Here's a great lyric - " But i'd still leap in front of a flying bullet for you" (the smiths 'what difference does it make?'). There's not a single line in wonderwall - or any of Noel Gallaghers scribbling - that comes within a million miles of that - yet with morrisey they were a dime a dozen ( a simlar parrallel could be drawn with Marrs guitar playing and Oasis' workmanlike scrubbing).
So QED - its a shit song. Shit lyrics, Shit tune, shit arrangement, shit band.
The lyrics are shit in an annoying way. Lyrics dont have to have a definite meaning - but Wonderwall, being a ballad of sorts with the words to the fore - presents itself as saying something (think of Dylan's ballads) but its just throwing Lyrics of extreme biegeness at the listeners.
Songs are primarily emotive - Think of the lyrics of the great sixties pop soul songs - stop! - in the name of love, reach out - I'll be there - you keep me hanging on - Baby Im sad - Im sadder than sad - take my tears and thats not nearly all - If a women could die of tears - Hey little thing, let me light your candle 'Cause mama I'm sure hard to handle, now, yessir'am.
But the lyrics of wonderwall dont suggest any discernable emotion - no yearning or loss or sadness or fear or excitement or desperation or anger. "maybe - your gonner be the one that save's me" is probably the strongest statement - and thats just a vauge musing with no context (save him from what?)
The melody is similarly dull - but simple enough to be easily remembered. So the combination is the musical equivalent of a Vetriano painting - it gives a sense of profundity whilst delivering absolutely nothing - but sells by the truck load to people with no taste/ears.
Here's a great lyric - " But i'd still leap in front of a flying bullet for you" (the smiths 'what difference does it make?'). There's not a single line in wonderwall - or any of Noel Gallaghers scribbling - that comes within a million miles of that - yet with morrisey they were a dime a dozen ( a simlar parrallel could be drawn with Marrs guitar playing and Oasis' workmanlike scrubbing).
So QED - its a shit song. Shit lyrics, Shit tune, shit arrangement, shit band.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
6 posters so far to be lined up at the Wonderwall.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
ska invita
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Oasis lyrics might be a bit...er...random, but whats so good about that lyric? But i'd still leap in front of a flying bullet for you? Sounds shit to me.
Not even good drugs at that
There's a saying in the music business,
"Where there's a hit, theres a writ"
A lot of popular music is challenged for plagiarism so Oasis are far from unique.
Few bands have virtually their entire back catalogue being challenged in such a way though
ska invita
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i think Oasis are fairly upfront about ripping off the beatles in particular
im not fussed about it tbh - its quite funny really
im not fussed about it tbh - its quite funny really
I've never liked Wonderwall much, but it's a good song I guess. I dont like Don't look back in anger either. However, I love other Oasis songs such as Live Forever, Cigarettes and Alcohol, Some Might say, and Whats the story morning glory? I like all the bright, positive stuff, I dont think Noel Gallagher is a master at sombre kind of songwriting.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
He didn't say anything of the sort, read the post again.
Couldn't even choose a decent band to rip off
ska invita
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no they admit to it and seem to often do it quite blatantly
Here's one from Noel:
""All I ever wanted to do was make a record. Here's what you do: you pick up your guitar, you rip a few people's tunes off, you swap them round a bit, get your brother in the band, punch his head in every now and again, and it sells. I'm a lucky bastard. I'm probably the single most lucky man in the world."
or
"I suppose 50% of that (stealing from the Beatles) is in there to wind people up and the other 50% of it is saying look, this is how songs like 'Don't Look Back in Anger' come about is because of songs like 'Imagine'. It's also for the 15 year old who's never heard Imagine and he might go Imagine? I've never heard of that and he might go out and buy the album."
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ska invita
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I think that quote is just N.Gallagher's bravado and posturing mixed maybe with some element of truth but not to be taken too seriously, IMO.
ska invita
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or
"I suppose 50% of that (stealing from the Beatles) is in there to wind people up and the other 50% of it is saying look, this is how songs like 'Don't Look Back in Anger' come about is because of songs like 'Imagine'. It's also for the 15 year old who's never heard Imagine and he might go Imagine? I've never heard of that and he might go out and buy the album."
ska invita
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"Once I got sort of quite good then it was "sit down, take a deep breath and attempt to copy The Beatles", which is very difficult, although I have to say I've mastered it to a tee."
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
No i didn't say dylans ballads were shit - I was saying the opposite.
Maybe taking inspiration from others is different from plagiarism.
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