Will you continue using a face mask after 19 July?

[LDC]

Extremely frustrating situation - sounds to me too like it should be a disciplinary matter but if management are shying away from that, is there any chance of union involvement? Is this person in a union and if so is it the same union as you and other colleagues?

Fat fucking chance! I dealt with it in a very mature professional way as when they weren't wearing a mask and refused to I told them they were either monumentally thick as shit or fucking selfish, or possibly both. They've avoided me all day although everyone else here has been nice. Been told to file a serious incident report about it. About them, not about me being mean.

 

[8ball]

So, masks are back on..?

People ‘expected’ to wear face masks in enclosed public spaces after 19 July under new guidance, vaccines minister says

Government ‘confident’ legal restrictions can be lifted on 19 July, minister adds

www.independent.co.uk

It's just too weird. I think there must be a lot of infighting leading to this incoherence.

 

[Ax^]

standard ploy through the pandemic really

don't give proper instructions and then they can just blame the public for spreading the virus

 

[scalyboy]

Fat fucking chance! I dealt with it in a very mature professional way as when they weren't wearing a mask and refused to I told them they were either monumentally thick as shit or fucking selfish, or possibly both. They've avoided me all day although everyone else here has been nice. Been told to file a serious incident report about it. About them, not about me being mean.

I’d be f***ing furious at management’s failure to take responsibility and sort this anti-mask idiot, but if a serious incident report shames them into taking action…?

 

[8ball]

I've noticed loads of people not wearing masks on public transport recently. They just play passive-aggressive announcements over the tannoy in response.

They have a different passive-aggressive message for when too many people are on the tram.

 

[Badgers]

100% yes

One of my team managers who had Covid and two vaccinations has just tested positive and has nasty symptoms he has unlimited access to PPE and has been working outdoors all week.

Also read this...

Chief nurse of York and Scarborough hospitals warns that their severely ill Covid-19 patients have been double jabbed

Residents of York and Scarborough have been warned that they can still get sick from Covid even if they have had the vaccine.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

 

[Voley]

I don't understand why people start petitions on these sort of sites, they just get totally ignored.

At least they look at & respond to those set-up on the petition parliament site:

Petitions - UK Government and Parliament

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Keep requirement to wear a face covering in shops & supermarkets after July 19th

Keep the legal requirement to wear a face covering in shops & supermarkets after July 19th, until there is a substantial decline in Covid 19 transmission cases and more of the population double-jabbed.

petition.parliament.uk

There's one on that site now.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Petition: Keep requirement to wear a face covering in shops & supermarkets after July 19th

Keep the legal requirement to wear a face covering in shops & supermarkets after July 19th, until there is a substantial decline in Covid 19 transmission cases and more of the population double-jabbed.

petition.parliament.uk

There's one on that site now.

Cheers. Signed.

 

[Voley]

This feels personal to me now. I've just spent the last week looking after my Mum who has Covid. She got it despite living in the middle of nowhere, barely going out for the last 18 months and, crucially, being double-jabbed.

And we're ditching mandatory face coverings. I fucking despair, I really do.

 

[two sheds]

I’ve asked about this in Asia and to be fair, many seem to be under the misapprehension that they’re affording themselves protection from traffic pollution.

Not even from particulates?

 

[two sheds]

This feels personal to me now. I've just spent the last week looking after my Mum who has Covid. She got it despite living in the middle of nowhere, barely going out for the last 18 months and, crucially, being double-jabbed.

And we're ditching mandatory face coverings. I fucking despair, I really do.

Sorry to hear that - do you know how she caught it?

 

[Voley]

Sorry to hear that - do you know how she caught it?

Almost certainly from a guy who did some work on our house; one of only a handful of people who've been in since the beginning of the pandemic. Developed symptoms/ tested positive while he was working here. We've subsequently discovered he's not been jabbed because he's an anti-vaxxer.

 

[Badgers]

This feels personal to me now. I've just spent the last week looking after my Mum who has Covid. She got it despite living in the middle of nowhere, barely going out for the last 18 months and, crucially, being double-jabbed.

And we're ditching mandatory face coverings. I fucking despair, I really do.

It feels like swimming against the tide

 

[two sheds]

Almost certainly from a guy who did some work on our house; one of only a handful of people who've been in since the beginning of the pandemic. Developed symptoms/ tested positive while he was working here. We've subsequently discovered he's not been jabbed because he's an anti-vaxxer.

Twats like that should be liable for cost of care . I'm sure someone will bring a test case sometime.

 

[Cloo]

'Excuse me, please could you put a face mask on because a minister said you ought to?'

 

[sojourner]

So, masks are back on..?

People ‘expected’ to wear face masks in enclosed public spaces after 19 July under new guidance, vaccines minister says

Government ‘confident’ legal restrictions can be lifted on 19 July, minister adds

www.independent.co.uk

Yeh, I noticed how when it was announced, they didn't even refer to previous reports of masks not being required anymore

 

[SpookyFrank]

I can forsee all sorts of beef between people who continue to wear masks and people who don't bother. Which will only increase the woes of those worried for their health or the health of others; as well as increasing the sense of bravely taking on a repressive establishment that anti-maskers have conjured up to avoid admitting that they're just perfectly ordinary selfish cunts.

 

[Maggot]

Good move from Sadiq Khan.

Covid: Masks to remain compulsory on London transport

Face coverings must be worn despite restrictions easing in England on 19 July, London's mayor says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[scalyboy]

Good move from Sadiq Khan.

Covid: Masks to remain compulsory on London transport

Face coverings must be worn despite restrictions easing in England on 19 July, London's mayor says.

www.bbc.co.uk

Good move Khan. Having said that, I’ve never seen any enforcement of mandatory masks on buses or tubes (not enough staff, probably) and there’s an increasing number of ‘no one is the boss of me’, ‘fearless, freedom-loving’ mask refusers on public transport.

But without this decision by Khan I guess there’d be even more in the coming weeks

 

[scalyboy]

I can forsee all sorts of beef between people who continue to wear masks and people who don't bother. Which will only increase the woes of those worried for their health or the health of others; as well as increasing the sense of bravely taking on a repressive establishment that anti-maskers have conjured up to avoid admitting that they're just perfectly ordinary selfish cunts.

Would it work if TfL / Khan designated a tube carriage or carriages on each train (for example, second carriage from the front, front three carriages) as a no-mask zone?

Obviously not everyone would comply, but I have noticed a certain amount of ‘policing’ of the quiet coach by passengers (myself on occasion) on national rail trains when someone is jabbering away loudly talking shite on their phone in said coach.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Would it work if TfL / Khan designated a tube carriage or carriages on each train (for example, second carriage from the front, front three carriages) as a no-mask zone?

Obviously not everyone would comply, but I have noticed a certain amount of ‘policing’ of the quiet coach by passengers (myself on occasion) on national rail trains when someone is jabbering away loudly talking shite on their phone in said coach.

There would be maskless people who refused to sit in the designated carriage because it represented an inexcusable curtailment of their rights. Also tube trains are long and you've only got a few seconds to get on them, so picking either a rat licker or non-rat licker carriage would be impractical.

Also it's not fair to lump legitimately exempt people in with the refuseniks and thus put them at greater risk.

 

[gentlegreen]

Would it work if TfL / Khan designated a tube carriage or carriages on each train (for example, second carriage from the front, front three carriages) as a no-mask zone?

Obviously not everyone would comply, but I have noticed a certain amount of ‘policing’ of the quiet coach by passengers (myself on occasion) on national rail trains when someone is jabbering away loudly talking shite on their phone in said coach.

Smoking vs non-smoking.
It's a shame covid couldn't mutate usefully and start to glow in the dark or make people spotty ...

 

[scalyboy]

Also it's not fair to lump legitimately exempt people in with the refuseniks and thus put them at greater risk.

True, good point

 

[Elpenor]

And some tube trains are completely walkthrough from end to end, so some tosspot would contend it’s an unbroken carriage.

 

[two sheds]

... under the Magna Carta

 

[cyril_smear]

No.

 

[mentalchik]

Having had lots of discussions at work about this since i last posted on this thread.....most of us (myself included) have come to the decision that we will be keeping our masks......fully expect a lot of customers won't wear one as we have had a continuous battle since it started and as people quickly cottoned on to the fact that if they just say they're exempt we can't do anything about it anyway,,,,,,(ime at work it's youngsters and youngish men that are the worst) we have never had a policy to stop people coming in if they don't wear a mask and over the last year or so have had many VERY aggressive moments with people on this subject.....i don't get the logic of saying we are stopping it being mandatory but we'd still like you to wear one

 

[Mr Retro]

This is Khan playing politics and trying to placate the unions. I’ll no longer be wearing a mask anywhere from next Monday

 

[cupid_stunt]

This is Khan playing politics and trying to placate the unions. I’ll no longer be wearing a mask anywhere from next Monday

Well, if you are using public transport, I hope you are one of the few that will get caught out by your shit attitude.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

This is Khan playing politics and trying to placate the unions. I’ll no longer be wearing a mask anywhere from next Monday

Good for you. Do whatever you like.