butchersapron
Bring back hanging
New idea - lab/con coalition to keep the lib-dems out of national power.
Why the lib-dems are shit
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bi0boy
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That looks like bollocks to me, do they weight their sample properly?
Average from last few polls is
CON 35
LIB 30
LAB 27
Which gives Labour majority of 38!
butchersapron
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It almost definitely is bollocks and it was clearly cherry-picked by me from a bunch of polls to further my anti-LD agenda.
They've got my vote then. I'd pay anything to see you fighting on tower hill.
Tower hill in Kirkby that is.
butchersapron
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butchersapron
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JHE
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That little 'news' article is quite funny - sheer speculation about Clegg's rich lawyer wife buying expensive knickers. It being in the Mail, the article comes across like someone droolingly saying, 'Oooh, wouldn't it be lovely to be rich and live in places like that and be able to get your underwear in places like that and spend loads of money and have posh relatives and go to expensive schools... and...'
The knickers non-story could have been better handled in the Sun. They'd have some model wearing the expensive knickers and looking vaguely like Clegg's wife.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
the article says cleggs wife went shopping in a store that sells £70 knickers (well, bikini briefs whatever they are), not that she actually bought any.
not that it's any of our business what knickers she chooses to buy / wear IMO.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
you're getting pretty desperate aren't you?
from what I can tell, she's got nothing to do with that side of the business, she's not listed on the rapid response site you linked to, and according to the main DLA Piper website, she's a specialist in EU and international trade law, so would likely have fuck all to do with giving advice on breaking strikes.
butchersapron
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I couldn't care less if she personally directs these strike breaking operations or merely works for a company who makes them their specialty. It's rotten either way.
The true desperation is those who just shove everything mentioned on this thread and elsewhere under the carpet and pretend that they don't actually matter. The anti-union approach doesn't matter, the pro-private health care position doesn't matter, the pro-private education position doesn't matter, the 'break up the nhs' position doesn't matter, the neo-liberalism doesn't matter, the lies don't matter, the backhanders don't matter, the deceptions don't matter, the half-truths don't matter, the careful PR doesn't matter, the life of privilege doesn't matter - none of them matter, - the politics, in brief, don't matter - because you're voting for change.
The true desperation is those who just shove everything mentioned on this thread and elsewhere under the carpet and pretend that they don't actually matter. The anti-union approach doesn't matter, the pro-private health care position doesn't matter, the pro-private education position doesn't matter, the 'break up the nhs' position doesn't matter, the neo-liberalism doesn't matter, the lies don't matter, the backhanders don't matter, the deceptions don't matter, the half-truths don't matter, the careful PR doesn't matter, the life of privilege doesn't matter - none of them matter, - the politics, in brief, don't matter - because you're voting for change.
Yup and they can fuck off if they think they're getting a tactical vote from us now.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Butchers quoting the Daily Hate ?
Well I suppose slebs buying posh pants is their one area of expertise ....
Well I suppose slebs buying posh pants is their one area of expertise ....
not read whole thread but i see we've done his "i don't remember that" on his Tory past, have we done his "i have no recollection of that" on being served breakfast in bed (with newspapers) by Louis Theroux at Westminster school?
or his "i burnt down a greenhouse full of Germany's best cactus collection" when according to his schoolteacher he only singed a few plants? (quite why he'd want to lie about that is even more telling than his untruth).
i think he's got a screw loose tbh.
another story i remember about Clegg was, tbf, from a backbencher Labour MP who'd been abroad for a week with him on some Parliamentary visit somewhere. his abiding memory of Clegg was his ongoing chat about how good looking he (Clegg) was......
i suspect this one has some serious issues up top.
or his "i burnt down a greenhouse full of Germany's best cactus collection" when according to his schoolteacher he only singed a few plants? (quite why he'd want to lie about that is even more telling than his untruth).
i think he's got a screw loose tbh.
another story i remember about Clegg was, tbf, from a backbencher Labour MP who'd been abroad for a week with him on some Parliamentary visit somewhere. his abiding memory of Clegg was his ongoing chat about how good looking he (Clegg) was......
i suspect this one has some serious issues up top.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
it may be one area the company specialises in, but it's not their only specialism, and she doesn't work in that area of the company.
I doubt there'd be many specialist international corporate law firms that wouldn't have one branch of the firm dedicated to dealing with industrial action, so having a pop at her for joining this firm on this basis is irrational bollocks IMO.
so what's the alternative?
vote new labour?
vote conservative?
as I've said before, where I am, not voting lib dem would effectively be a vote for the conservative party (barring an unlikely resurgence from labour here), as it's a lib dem vs tory fight, with a lib dem mp defending who's been a good MP with a voting record I mostly agree with, a good attendance record, no outside interests, reasonable looking expenses etc.
I've read through the first 6 pages of this thread, and see little substantial in it, and lots of sub daily mail smearing. I don't expect to agree with 100% of what they stand for, I just agree with them more than I do either labour or tory.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
How about she stops being an international corporate lawyer?
She is vile as was her PP father.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
not that I particularly agree with you about her needing to quit, but in the unlikely event that clegg did become PM (yeah right), she's apparently said she would quit her job.
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eta - no clue about her dad's exact politics, but judging a party on their leaders dead father in law's politics strikes me as being pretty stupid tbh
butchersapron
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Well, here 's a thread that looks at Clegg's attitude to Thatcher and his support of her attacks on the unions and the miners in particular
Also noticeable from that article in his claim that it's not up tpo him to decide who'll be PM but up to the electorate. I wonder what made him change his mind so suddenly?
It's good isn't it, he can criticise the constitutional system and the old gang's use of it, yet he's prepared to cynically use it to get exactly what he wants.
butchersapron
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Most of the arguments put forward for voting lib-dem on here (and let's be honest, there's only two - to stop the tories wining and to get PR) can, with minimal development, be used to support the lib-dems or labour for evermore. The idea that the political scene will inevitably fragment after some form of PR is brought in is a fantasy - politics will still be dominated by three parties and your vote at general elections will be dominated by the same themes as today - blocking one or another from forming a majority govt.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
All you have to do is look at other countries that have PR. Has capitalism been overturned? Has the neoliberal consensus been overturned? Is the parliament full of decent, honest actual representatives?
butchersapron
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I was told yes they were - and directed to Germany where the Greens were in the national govt -only problem is, they were in social spending, pension cutting, workers sacking, NHS gutting, health and safety condition undermining, wage-cutting foreign troops sending govt. They clearly had little influence on their larger partners and were dragged rightwards rather than the big party being dragged leftwards. That was the only example that was found -and no aregumenst were offered as to why the same dynamics would not be at work here.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
So much so that Joschka Fischer the German Green supported the NATO bombing of Kosovo, suppiorted stationing German troops in Afghanistan.
He now works for the Albright Group a consulting group in the US led by Madeline Albright. Yup PR really helped him.....
Under the leadership of Joschka Fischer PR helped and 'forced' the Greens rtight in their quest for government and power.
Idaho
blah blah blah
Of course PR will just be business as usual. But it start to scratch away at the fringes of the westminster club.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
You don't need to look to Germany to see what the Greens mean very often : - hypocrisy, privatisation of council housing, consumption taxes to 'save the environment', failing to support tubeworkers on strike - that's not to say there aren't good committed Green councillors activists aiming for something laudable.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
butchersapron
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Or it'll just operate (on the level of national govt and parties anyway) as a form of sponsored mobility.
butchersapron
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Wrong. I've never argued something so crude - in fact i'm currently having to point out the idiocies of a simplisitic reform or revolution position on another thread. Reforms are a way to get get revolution -in the same way that strikes are 'schools of revolution'.
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