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I hate 'these days'...
Please specify these "sub-quality universities" and quantify their "wealth of worthless degrees". Thanks.
...Maybe he means 'all universities not in the russell group'
Please specify these "sub-quality universities" and quantify their "wealth of worthless degrees". Thanks.
Oh, it's a 'global monetary crisis' & 'global recession' now, is it? Here was me thinking it was all because of Brown and the LP. Isn't that the party line?
Moon will be along with his whip for you shortly, poison.
Please specify these "sub-quality universities" and quantify their "wealth of worthless degrees". Thanks.
No, under the Browne reforms, university then only becomes to those that can afford it and/or are not debt-averse.
Which uni did you work for? I've never known a PhD be turned down because of the university the applicant came from. Plenty because of quality (from "top" universities as well as more mundane ones) but none solely because they didn't go to "a top university".
The narrative switches depending on the requirements of the argument. Today "global" issues, tomorrow "13 years of Labour spending", the day after, "Brown's deregulation".
Also Brown is largely responsible for driving the bailout agenda, which transferred the private debt into collective sovereign debt. The argument that is put forth is that he had no choice, if you accept that interpretation then Poison is pointing out that there are going to be consequences of us taking on a lot of debt.
Places like Southampton Solent or Bolton are sub-standard Universities. I doubt any degrees are entirely worthless, but in terms of increasing your employability or actually giving you a decent education then many find themselves lacking.
I worked for a Russell group University, and sat in an admissions meeting where tutors took the piss out of 'new universities'
"you mugs, look what you brought down on yourself"what would you say to the new labour supporters who voted conservatives\liberal democrats this time around?
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Oh REALLY? You KNOW this is gonna happen. My, what clairvoyancy! alternatively - you're talking shit. face the facts; your period in power will be brief - it will be a miracle if you do the full 5 years, and for the libdems that's it -decades in the wilderness, for the tories at least a decade out.at the next elections (after the cuts have been made and there's mass unemployment), what will you say
to those former lib dem\ new labour supporters who elect a tory majority government?
yes, well, thank you for that stunning insight on how not to surprise you. Next!it wouldn't surprise me if for all the rhetoric on here, one or two of the u75's 'red or dead' brigade
hadn't voted for the conservatives at some point in their lives
...Maybe he means 'all universities not in the russell group'
Why are they "sub-standard"?Places like Southampton Solent or Bolton are sub-standard Universities.
Then why claim otherwise, unless you're dishonest?I doubt any degrees are entirely worthless...
In what way? You're great at making sweeping generalisations, but if you're making such far-reaching claims, you should have the decency to put some meat on the bones....but in terms of increasing your employability or actually giving you a decent education then many find themselves lacking.
So you worked for an elite, and yet don't seem to understand why tutors might wish to perpetuate their elitism?I worked for a Russell group University, and sat in an admissions meeting where tutors took the piss out of 'new universities'
I worked for a Russell group University, and sat in an admissions meeting where tutors took the piss out of 'new universities'
I think it's a case of arguing a point from a premise that you have accepted. IF you say that it's a global problem then there are going to be consequences to which the Lib/Tories are victims of.
In other words, as I said, you switch narratives depending on the requirements of your argument.
I noticed this flip-flop from 'it's all Labour's fault' to 'it's the world economy' yesterday with Poison too.
Places like Southampton Solent or Bolton are sub-standard Universities. I doubt any degrees are entirely worthless, but in terms of increasing your employability or actually giving you a decent education then many find themselves lacking.
I worked for a Russell group University, and sat in an admissions meeting where tutors took the piss out of 'new universities'
Does the OU require you to write two essays a week?I'd rate a person with an OU degree over and oxford PPE in terms of hard work and commitment.
The myth of oxbridge comes from teaching their students that they will be the elite.
Truth has never been required to back this myth.
damn right, and with the not-so-hidden agenda that uni access is restricted to those whose mummies and daddies are wealthy enough to fund them for the whole 3 yearsVocational training's "reform" doesn't appear to be very reforming, and while the re-classification of some vocational subjects away from the degree route makes sense (using a bachelor's degree as a marker of achievement in a vocational field having been a short-sighted manouvre on the part of the Tories, surprise surprise!), it'll need more than a bit of jiggery-pokery with higher ed and the creation of 50,000 more apprenticeships this parliament to make any reform worthwhile.
All this is doing is re-arranging the deck-chairs so that peter can be robbed to pay Paul. What this "reform" reduces to is a sop to employers, and little or no change to the current cleavages between the classes.
Does the OU require you to write two essays a week?
In other words, as I said, you switch narratives depending on the requirements of your argument.
Moon what do you think of the Open University?
Louis MacNeice
Why are they "sub-standard"?
Then why claim otherwise, unless you're dishonest?
In what way? You're great at making sweeping generalisations, but if you're making such far-reaching claims, you should have the decency to put some meat on the bones.
So you worked for an elite, and yet don't seem to understand why tutors might wish to perpetuate their elitism?
Odd, as I'd have thought that a liberal would understand such actions all too well.
damn right, and with the not-so-hidden agenda that uni access is restricted to those whose mummies and daddies are wealthy enough to fund them for the whole 3 years
Places like Southampton Solent or Bolton are sub-standard Universities. I doubt any degrees are entirely worthless, but in terms of increasing your employability or actually giving you a decent education then many find themselves lacking.
I worked for a Russell group University, and sat in an admissions meeting where tutors took the piss out of 'new universities'
Surely that is the basic principle of Liberal Democracy?
I worked for a Russell group University, and sat in an admissions meeting where tutors took the piss out of 'new universities'
You're talking, but you're not saying anything. Quantify your claim with detail, stop waffling.They are at the bottom of the league tables on a range of criteria.
You were "speaking generally", eh? You seemed to be rather precise in your claim when you first made it.I was speaking generally, they are generally worthless by criteria of employability but not entirely so as they still have some value.
Look at any research in the last 50 years on higher education and you'll find a curious constant: That only around 20% of graduates find employment that "puts their knowledge base to use". Most rational employers, unless they inhabit a specialist field, take a degree to indicate your ability to manage yourself and apply yourself, nothing more, nothing less.In the way that there are many young people with mediocre degrees for whom can't find employment that puts their knowledge base to use.
Raising the cost of tuition fees guarantees that some of those "poorer children" will forego attending university because they're debt-averse. That's how it is in many poor households. We don't like debt.Yes I recognise that many people now look at the name of the University rather than just if you have a degree. This Elitism is widespread and one reason why simply encouraging more people to go to University doesn’t lift all the barriers. It's far more important to encourage poorer children to be able to reach the bar, rather than lower the bar and pretend it's of the same value.
Oh ffs! The pupil Premium has FUCK ALL to do with the effect of soaring tuition fees on uni accessNo it's free at the point of delivery and more money is being given via the pupil premium to give children a fairer start
Does the OU require you to write two essays a week?