Why the Green Party is shit

[belboid]

I never knew that mushrooms hated aborigines - I thought they liked damp, dark places and avoided arid, dry areas for biologial reasons, not racist ones.

I dont know about that, but they do go beautifully with aubergines in a veggie moussaka

 

[8ball]

Yes, it was a racist slur used by Italians in the USA in reference to black people. It became a wider used slur however.

Only time I've ever heard the term used:



(apols for aspect ratio - also, racial slurs are used aplenty in this clip)

 

[rekil]

Caroline Lucas is doing a bit of scabbing.

https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/346727750104662017

Ah, weepiper posted it on the other thread already. This then.

Pippa Bartolotti

From the age of 2 all children would go to small neighbourhood pre schools at no charge - with no get-out clause for anyone rich or poor. They would get 3 meals a day plus a snack to take home. Parents would then be free to work, the resultant tax income contributing to the cost of extra schooling. If parents chose to fulfil the prophesy of multi generational laziness their benefits would be replaced by vouchers which could only be spent in one place. Training for parents would be available.

Simultaneously, older children missing the initial introduction to greater equality and wider socialisation would be filtered into age groups, and at key teenage years boys and girls would be educated separately to save them from their own silliness. There would be a progressive and staged education system delivered by hands-on experienced trainers, quite possibly from the armed forces - who are exemplary trainers, but who currently train for the wrong thing - but also from all walks of life.

 

[Nylock]

jesus

 

[SpackleFrog]

Caroline Lucas is doing a bit of scabbing.

https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/346727750104662017

Ah, weepiper posted it on the other thread already. This then.

Pippa Bartolotti

The FUCK? Even IDS would balk at this.

 

[SpackleFrog]

The FUCK? Even IDS would balk at this.

Not the bit about getting armed forces to teach kids, obvs.

 

[redsquirrel]

What do people think about the Green Party opposition to GM crops? The Green Party members take part in sabotage of publicly funded GM wheat trials and their opposition seems to me to be based on ideology rather than science.

I think there are real issue's with GM crops (more around the intellectual property than any health issues) and they were/are been pushed in order to generate even more obscene profits for business, as such I don't have any problem with people sabotaging the trials. I do think some of the stuff they come out with on the issue is crap though, most of the crops we already grow have been "genetically modified" in some manner.

 

[JimW]

I think there are real issue's with GM crops (more around the intellectual property than any health issues) and they were/are been pushed in order to generate even more obscene profits for business, as such I don't have any problem with people sabotaging the trials. I do think some of the stuff they come out with on the issue is crap though, most of the crops we already grow have been "genetically modified" in some manner.

Similar with me - it's been a massive issue on the Chinese left in recent years and also a mix of sensible objections to agribusiness multinationals undermining local farmers, controlling through packaged seeds/agrochemicals that have to be used in combination and IPR for indigenous knowledge etc then some more nutbar "diluting our precious bodily fluids" stuff which while sort of understandable from one angle is clearly wrongheaded.

 

[Meltingpot]

Inspired by the legendary 'why the Lib Dems are shit' thread and prompted by the Green led council strikebreaking in Brighton, this is your opportunity to give examples of their shitness and prove that those of us who think they'd genocide the working class to save the Bolivian arse wasp are right. As with the why the lib dems are shit thread, this could be policies, personalities or anything else - provided it's evidence of Green shitness it needs to go in here.

I'll start us off with the aforementioned strike breaking in Brighton, details of which can be found in this thread.

This thread is basically one long diatribe against the Greens without a single word anywhere about what they stand for and why. It's as though Urban is completely blind to these issues.

Spiney, you told me on a different thread that I should try some critical thinking. Well, here's one for you; if sea levels rise worldwide as they're predicted to do because of global warming (assuming you're not a climate change denier?) then who's going to suffer most? Answer; the class which disproportionately lives in the world's low-lying areas - i.e. the working class.

I get that a lot of people here don't like the way Green politicians and councillors are behaving, but the answer to that is not to pretend that we don't face massive environmental problems (of which global warming is only one) or that the many committed Green activists throughout the country (of which I used to be one) are doing it purely because they care about the sodding Bolivian arse wasp.

If you don't like the way the Green party is carrying on, there's a simple answer; start your own. There used to be a group called SERA (the Socialist Environmental Research Association) of which the late Robin Cook was a leading member, but I don't know if they're still going.

Also, accusing the Green movement of anti-semitism is a bit rich to put it mildly when some of the movement's leading lights and prophets (such as Paul Ehrlich) are and have been Jewish;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_environmentalism

 

[frogwoman]

the green party isn't the same as the environmentalist movement

 

[Idris2002]

Pippa Bartolotti

Oh fatherland, fatherland, give us a sign, your children are longing to see.

 

[butchersapron]

Where the hell did anyone write off environmental issues meltingpot? That post is a disgrace and a smear.

 

[rekil]

The Greens wrote off environmental issues fairly handsomely once they got into government in Ireland. Then lost all their seats and over half their 96000 first preference votes,

 

[Meltingpot]

Where the hell did anyone write off environmental issues meltingpot? That post is a disgrace and a smear.

I've gone back and read the thread again to see if I was being unfair, and only redsquirrel mentions environmental issues at all. My post stands, sorry.

 

[8ball]

I've gone back and read the thread again to see if I was being unfair, and only redsquirrel mentions environmental issues at all. My post stands, sorry.

That's not answering butchers' post at all.

 

[butchersapron]

I've gone back and read the thread again to see if I was being unfair, and only redsquirrel mentions environmental issues at all. My post stands, sorry.

What? You say people on this thread dismiss environmental issues - and that these issues belong to the green party - by dismissing the latter you dismiss the former. Then you can't find anyone doing any such thing - mainly because the thread is about green party behaviour and policy - and you think that no one doing what you said they were doing makes your smear substantive? Get lost.

 

[Meltingpot]

the green party isn't the same as the environmentalist movement

True, but if you read this thread and didn't know any better, you would never think anyone posting in it had any awareness at all of environmental issues - as I've just said.

If you were attacking the Green party for being insufficiently Green in practice, in addition to everything else, if would be different because at least then there'd be some attempt at balance (and in fact a lot of Greens would probably agree with you). But almost no one in this thread is paying any attention at all about environmental issues.

The Greens are being attacked purely on grounds other than what they stand for, and that's what has got my back up about this thread. It's just one long hatchet job against the party and as such hurts the issues the party concerns itself with. If someone did that to your political party, you wouldn't be impressed either.

 

[frogwoman]

this thread was started because of the greens' treatment of council workers in brighton, not as a hatchet job against the greens.

and i'm not in a political party. i left it a few months ago.

 

[Meltingpot]

What? You say people on this thread dismiss environmental issues - and that these issues belong to the green party - by dismissing the latter you dismiss the former. Then you can't find anyone doing any such thing - mainly because the thread is about green party behaviour and policy - and you think that no one doing what you said they were doing makes your smear substantive? Get lost.

Of course these issues don;t belong to the Green party alone, but the Green party is the only one with any prominence which prioritises them or at least attempts to.

 

[frogwoman]

And Idris mentioned an example of the greens reneging on all their promises about the environment in Ireland.

 

[cesare]

True, but if you read this thread and didn't know any better, you would never think anyone posting in it had any awareness at all of environmental issues - as I've just said.

If you were attacking the Green party for being insufficiently Green in practice, in addition to everything else, if would be different because at least then there'd be some attempt at balance (and in fact a lot of Greens would probably agree with you). But almost no one in this thread is paying any attention at all about environmental issues.

The Greens are being attacked purely on grounds other than what they stand for, and that's what has got my back up about this thread. It's just one long hatchet job against the party and as such hurts the issues the party concerns itself with. If someone did that to your political party, you wouldn't be impressed either.

The Greens are being attacked purely on grounds of what they are doing, and how those actions are in conflict with the way they set their stall out. This thread is not about environmental issues - it's about the actions of a political party that call themselves the Green Party.

 

[butchersapron]

Amazing - you attack people for not attacking greens on green issues. Which is, to you, evidence of their dismissal and belittling of green issues. Which belong to the greens.

As for this:

The Greens are being attacked purely on grounds other than what they stand for

they're being attacked for a) what they do and b) who their sort of politics attracts.

 

[Meltingpot]

this thread was started because of the greens' treatment of council workers in brighton, not as a hatchet job against the greens.

Take a look at the title; "Why the Green party is shit", not "why the Greens in Brighton are shit". I rest my case.

and i'm not in a political party. i left it a few months ago.

Oh, in that case I stand corrected, sorry.

 

[butchersapron]

Of course these issues don;t belong to the Green party alone, but the Green party is the only one with any prominence which prioritises them or at least attempts to.

Which makes it ok for you smear people who criticise the green party for what they actually do as not caring about environmental issues in your world?

 

[butchersapron]

Take a lok at the title; "Why the Green party is shit", not "why the Greens in Brighton are shit". I rest my case.



Oh, in that case I stand corrected, sorry.

This is hari #2 for you isn't it?

You are actually saying that it is a smear to criticise the green party - astonishing in itself - but at the same time, you smear people who make those criticisms as not giving a shit about green issues- if they did, why would they criticise THE GREEN PARTY!!!! I do hope this is just a dozy day, because this is flocking pathetic.

 

[chilango]

Meltingpot. I'm a little confused about what you're saying tbf.

 

[butchersapron]

I think we just found another reason.

 

[Meltingpot]

This is hari #2 for you isn't it?

Yeah, pretty much if I'm honest although Hari raises other issues I'd rather not go into here.

You are actually saying that it is a smear to criticise the green party - astonishing in itself

It would be if I was doing that, but as I said I have no problem with criticism which is fair and balanced and takes what the party stands for into account. This thread is more than criticism - it's a hatchet job (not an exaggeration) - An attempt to dig up all the dirt you can about a party without any attempt at balance or sense of what they stand for.

Spiney made it clear in the OP that he was only interested in negative stuff about the Party, and as if to underline the point he made it clear that he thought the main point of contention for the party was the fate of the Bolivian arse wasp - a clear attempt at sarcasm and to demean the party's overall position as being not worth serious notice. Fine; that's what you've got.

- but at the same time, you smear people who make those criticisms as not giving a shit about green issues- if they did, why would they criticise THE GREEN PARTY!!!!

There are plenty of reasons why people would attack the Party, not all of them honourable. The Greens have a lot of enemies in both politics and industry (not to mention right wing journalists like James Delingpole). That's why I think people who criticise the Party for more noble reasons should take pains in their posts to distinguish themselves from those enemies.

I do hope this is just a dozy day, because this is flocking pathetic.

Me too, because if I start doing better you've got something to worry about.

 

[Meltingpot]

Meltingpot. I'm a little confused about what you're saying tbf.

Sorry, but maybe the post I've just made will make it clearer.

 

[sihhi]

Also, accusing the Green movement of anti-semitism is a bit rich to put it mildly when some of the movement's leading lights and prophets (such as Paul Ehrlich) are and have been Jewish;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_environmentalism

Rude. What a nonsense. Paul Ehrlich is still a patron of Britain's Population Matters, formerly Optimum Population Trust, despite him getting every single one of his predictions wrong again and again. Only a clown would see him as a prophet his Jewishness has nothing to do with it.