Why the Green Party is shit

[barney_pig]

I read a book once about the role of environmentalists and conservationists in the NSDAP, it was dead good but I can't remember what it was called - I'll try and dig it out later.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Green-Brown-Conservation-Environment/dp/0521612772
This?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Bristol doubled its Green quotient at the May elections to 4, though most of the idiot factor is supplied by the Ashley ward double act of Augustus Hoyt and Rob Telford.

Telford is a political anorak, essentially a Lib Dem with a high fibre diet. Gaffe-prone Hoyt is a muppet, and so a logical choice for a Cabinet seat under 'independent' Mayor George Ferguson.

There's also Daniella Radice and Tess Green, each of whom has a much lower prat profile, but of whom we shall no doubt hear more of in the future, especially as they tie themselves in knots over the Resident Parking Zone/Scheme issue.

One prominent former Bristol Green was noted disruptor, crank and all-round wacky anti-semite, Tony Gosling, until even the local Steiner-supporting sandal-wearers decided his brand of racial superiority was beyond the (ahem) pale, and booted him out.

Meanwhile, there's a whole established layer of professional green here, with the likes of Sustrans, Better Food Company, Ethical Property Company, Essential Food Co-op, Triodos Bank and many others, which intersect with the self-facilitating media node variety of consulterati and freelance laptoperatives. Fertile ground, in other words, for facilitating both the all-talk-no-action and the top-down types of 'environmentalism': big ideas + minimal direct democratic engagement + funding streams = policy clusterfuck.

Oh, and only the other day Bristol 'won' the right to brand itself the European Green Capital 2015. Yay! And George Ferguson obviously had to go to Nantes to hear the decision in person, a sojourn which - along with his trip to Barcelona shortly beforehand - means that he has now clocked up more than 5,000 air miles in overseas travel since being made Mayor of a provincial English city. Still, it's all offset by the amount of shit he talks which acts as a policy fertiliser.

Coming soon: Bristol as the UK's 'Solar City'! Bristol's quango-driven, big business-subsidising 'Temple Quarter' to become Britain's 'Circus Capital'!!

 

[SpineyNorman]

http://www.amazon.com/The-Green-Brown-Conservation-Environment/dp/0521612772
This?

No but I want to read that one too now

 

[SpineyNorman]

Oh, I nearly forgot - taffboy.

 

[Idris2002]

never gets old :

He did this on purpose, in the hope that he would be thrown out of the Dail, and would therefore not have to vote for whatever obnoxious piece of austerity legislation he was being whipped on that day.

But the Irish Greens were always eejits: I remember one of their first TDs, back in the late 80s, saying that he was "always aware of the trouble caused by strikes".

Nigel Irritable - I seem to recall reading that when the PDs called it quits, some of their membership joined up with the Greens. Any truth in that one?

 

[butchersapron]

No but I want to read that one too now

Here you go.

 

[butchersapron]

Here's Blood and soil: Richard Walther Darré and Hitler's "Green Party" whilst i'm at it (not a good copy but readable - obvious nazi sympathies from the green Bramwell).

 

[likesfish]

Thing is once the greens lose it will be buggins turn again in brighton not like any of the other councils have been brilliant
All either fucked off the binmen or fudged this decision.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Where do they get these clowns from?

The middle-classes, mostly.

 

[dylanredefined]

Is there anyone i can vote for now?

 

[cesare]

Is there anyone i can vote for now?

Welcome to the world of actively not voting.

 

[Fedayn]

Ecofascism: Lessons from the German Experience by Janet Biehl and Peter Staudenmaier. You can read extracts here but if anyone's arsed about reading it all I can stick it online somewhere.

Basck in the late 1980, Searchlight had an issue with the frontpage header 'The greening of the brownshirts'. Was part of a wider look at the 'blood and soil' politics of the far-right being moved into the green movement. There are some 'Green Right' groups in Euro trying to link the blood' weith 'soil' in a 'different' way.

 

[chilango]

...also back in the 90s there were a number of attempts by the fash to "go green" iirc some ITP types set up some animal rights group and there was at least one attempt to set up a dummy EF! group in Yorkshire o the Midlands I forget exactly where. It got sussed pretty quickly. Plus Alternative Green "split" from Green Anarchist. Stewart Home et al. Made much of this. I guess his stuff on this is still up on the web if you can be arsed with it. It's not really worth the trouble.

Though when EF! first came to the UK I heard rumours that AFA planned to no platform them!

 

[cesare]

...also back in the 90s there were a number of attempts by the fash to "go green" iirc some ITP types set up some animal rights group and there was at least one attempt to set up a dummy EF! group in Yorkshire o the Midlands I forget exactly where. It got sussed pretty quickly. Plus Alternative Green "split" from Green Anarchist. Stewart Home et al. Made much of this. I guess his stuff on this is still up on the web if you can be arsed with it. It's not really worth the trouble.

Though when EF! first came to the UK I heard rumours that AFA planned to no platform them!

Alternative Green search brings up an interview with P H

 

[chilango]

...it's a murky world, the fringe.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

there's this bloke in Scotland

Independent Green Voice

is a minor environmentalist political party in Scotland. First registered with the Electoral Commission in 2003, it is led by Alistair McConnachie.
The party has a broadly environmentalist platform and campaigns for localism, including leaving the European Union and opposing immigration. It also
opposed debt slavery and calls for the establishment of a not-for-profit "Public Investment Bank" to replace the "debt-based money system".[1] The party is also opposed to Public Private Partnerships, and would restore the link between pensions and average earnings.
In the 2003 Scottish Parliament election, McConnachie stood in Glasgow Kelvin and received 1,300 votes (5.9%). In the 2005 UK general election, he stood in Glasgow South West, and received 379 votes (1.2%).
McConnachie is also the party's treasurer and nominating officer.[2] Prior to establishing the party, he was the Scottish organiser for the United Kingdom Independence Party but his membership was not renewed in the summer of 2001 amid allegations that he was a holocaust denier.[3] McConnachie responded to these allegations at the time of the 2007 Scottish Parliamentary election[4] when the party stood in the Glasgow Region constituency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Green_Voice

 

[Fedayn]

MacConnachie has been hanging about the the BNP on occasion. At one election count he was with the BNP and was photographing anti-fascists.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Basck in the late 1980, Searchlight had an issue with the frontpage header 'The greening of the brownshirts'. Was part of a wider look at the 'blood and soil' politics of the far-right being moved into the green movement. There are some 'Green Right' groups in Euro trying to link the blood' weith 'soil' in a 'different' way.

Didn't Troy Southgate either write for or come heavily under the influence of Green Anarchist magazine?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Not the green party specifically but there's some fucking mental deep green misanthropy in this 'documentary':

 

[belboid]

wtf was he tying to write? He can't have actually meant aborigines, can he? Blaming auto-correct when he tried to type 'aubergines'??

 

[butchersapron]

Didn't Troy Southgate either write for or come heavily under the influence of Green Anarchist magazine?

Not really/sort of - one of the founders of GA moved hard(er) right in the early 90s and was kicked off the mag as result and then disappeared into the vortex of all those new-age crap mags where he encountered TS - in Alternative Green specifically.

 

[DaveCinzano]

wtf was he tying to write? He can't have actually meant aborigines, can he? Blaming auto-correct when he tried to type 'aubergines'??

He did try to clarify what he meant, but then it was pointed out to him that 'eggplant' is a racial slur - certainly in the United States, where he in part grew up and whose passport he carries alongside that issued him by Her Britannic Majesty.

As alluded to, not the deepest Green in the ecosystem.

 

[chilango]

Not really/sort of - one of the founders of GA moved hard(er) right in the early 90s and was kicked off the mag as result and then disappeared into the vortex of all those new-age crap mags where he encountered TS - in Alternative Green specifically.

Probably worth mentioning the story of Tim Heppe at this point SpineyNorman.

http://www.spunk.org/texts/antifasc/sp000525.html as written by our very own Larry O'Hara.

As the green movement got more militant in the 90s and started to head somewhere useful all kinds of shenanigans ensued.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

MacConnachie has been hanging about the the BNP on occasion. At one election count he was with the BNP and was photographing anti-fascists.

And now he is campaigning against independence with "A Force for Good" lol

 

[butchersapron]

MacConnachie has been hanging about the the BNP on occasion. At one election count he was with the BNP and was photographing anti-fascists.

Pretty clear from the letters that kicked off the holocaust denial stuff that he was been hanging around with/immersing himself in some nasty stuff. You don't just drop Fred Leuchter into a conversation by accident - you only get the stage of recommending him after reading a hole load of holocaust denial stuff.

 

[Sue]

He did try to clarify what he meant, but then it was pointed out to him that 'eggplant' is a racial slur - certainly in the United States, where he in part grew up and whose passport he carries alongside that issued him by Her Britannic Majesty.

As alluded to, not the deepest Green in the ecosystem.

Really? Against purple-skinned people..?

 

[belboid]

Really? Against purple-skinned people..?

a quick google shows that americans of italian descent seem to believe they are black skinned, oddly

 

[Fedayn]

Really? Against purple-skinned people..?

Yes, it was a racist slur used by Italians in the USA in reference to black people. It became a wider used slur however.

 

[8ball]

wtf was he tying to write? He can't have actually meant aborigines, can he? Blaming auto-correct when he tried to type 'aubergines'??

I never knew that mushrooms hated aborigines - I thought they liked damp, dark places and avoided arid, dry areas for biologial reasons, not racist ones.

 

[Sue]

How bizarre, never heard this before.