Why the f-ck did anyone ask Klaus Schwab the time anyway

[frogwoman]

That often happens in murder trials tho, it's not just Chauvin.

 

[frogwoman]

Maybe it should have been conducted behind closed doors without tv cameras etc but that's not how the US justice system works...you know, the same one that people have been protesting against.

 

[StakerOne]

That often happens in murder trials tho, it's not just Chauvin.

What often happens at murder trials? People get justice? Good.

 

[StakerOne]

Usually the dickheads go on about fentanyl being in his system, but you decided to be more inventive and call him a meth head. As if that was at all relevant.

They are dickheads because they are saying or implying that he wasn't murdered.

 

[Rimbaud]

I resent international corporates, especially ones that started up abroad, trying to dictate the poltiical narritive for Britain.

For example Ben & Jerry's said some real imflammatory shite concerning immigration and the British government.

They aren't dictating a political narrative, they are branding themselves in a way which maximises their sales. They are responding to social change, not the other way around. Fact is that people who get wound up over the gays and the immigrants are an increasingly irrelevant market, at least as far as those companies which brand themselves as LGBT friendly or anti-racist are concerned.

What exactly did Ben & Jerry's say about immigration and why did it outrage you so much you decided to boycott them? A little strange considering you apparently consider immigration a non-issue anyway.

 

[NoXion]

To "smear" implies intent. I'm happy to be corrected if you believe any part of what I said about George Flloyd is wrong.

So from which right-wing cesspit did you get the "meth head" part? Or is that entirely your own invention? Furthermore, why even bring it up if your intention is not to try and diminish the situation in some way?

They are dickheads because they are saying or implying that he wasn't murdered.

Oh believe me, they know he was murdered. They are also dickheads because they are implying that as they think he had fentanyl in his system, that somehow justifies or excuses murdering him. The usual racist narratives about out of control thugs on drugs. You've still not bothered to explain why you think accusing Floyd of being a meth head is at all relevant.

 

[frogwoman]

What often happens at murder trials? People get justice? Good.

People yelling 'murderer' at the defendant?

 

[StakerOne]

People yelling 'murderer' at the defendant?

We too have a public gallery. If people get out of hand they should be ejected.

 

[StakerOne]

Why not? Institutional racism is definitely a thing, and in the country where I live and work that bias is going to favour white British people like me more often than not. If a company refuses to even pay lip service to the issue, then that's hardly a promising sign, is it?



Actually it matters a hell of a lot. If the people who have historically benefited from institutional racism and ingrained prejudice are the ones who get to set the boundaries of what is and isn't racism, then that's not going to properly represent the interests and concerns of those who have been and are still being negatively effected. Seems pretty obvious to me.

Well, I suppose the firm you work for is institutionally racist because its full to brim with people like you!

The firm I work for, trust me, employs an awful lot of people and we're too busy to fuck around with that bullshit. No safe places. And we all get along.

I'm sorry but you're clueless and should not be trusted when it comes to racism.

You clearly can't tell me how far is too far.

It's never too far, Why?

Because to you its not really about anti-racism, it's about control and power.

And you can never have too much of that.

Ergo, you're not anti racist, you're racist. An authoritarian left wing racist.

And if you want to change my mind on that, answer the question: How far is too far?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Well, I suppose the firm you work for is institutionally racist because its full to brim with people like you!

The firm I work for, trust me, employs an awful lot of people and we're too busy to fuck around with that bullshit. No safe places. And we all get along.

I'm sorry but you're clueless and should not be trusted when it comes to racism.

You clearly can't tell me how far is too far.

It's never too far, Why?

Because to you its not really about anti-racism, it's about control and power.

And you can never have too much of that.

Ergo, you're not anti racist, you're racist. An authoritarian left wing racist.

And if you want to change my mind on that, answer the question: How far is too far?

It's Jordan fucking Peterson

 

[Rimbaud]

Well, I suppose the firm you work for is institutionally racist because its full to brim with people like you!

The firm I work for, trust me, employs an awful lot of people and we're too busy to fuck around with that bullshit. No safe places. And we all get along.

I'm sorry but you're clueless and should not be trusted when it comes to racism.

You clearly can't tell me how far is too far.

It's never too far, Why?

Because to you its not really about anti-racism, it's about control and power.

And you can never have too much of that.

Ergo, you're not anti racist, you're racist. An authoritarian left wing racist.

And if you want to change my mind on that, answer the question: How far is too far?

I'm not sure how you are getting from his post that he is all about control and power. How does saying that allowing the people who are affected by racism to speak for their own experiences rather than allowing the majority ethnicity to define what is and isn't racism give him power, where he is himself of the majority ethnicity?

Also still waiting to hear why you're boycotting Ben & Jerry's. Why so coy?

 

[StakerOne]

I'm not sure how you are getting from his post that he is all about control and power. How does saying that allowing the people who are affected by racism to speak for their own experiences rather than allowing the majority ethnicity to define what is and isn't racism give him power, where he is himself of the majority ethnicity?

Also still waiting to hear why you're boycotting Ben & Jerry's. Why so coy?

It's about control and power from the middle classes up. Of course it is. Ask anyone peddling that shite, "How far is too far in your direction then?" - they can never give answer because the real answer is "ad infinitum". Only the power hungry would be elusive about what they want, because everything isn't enough.

A genuine anti-racist and equalities campaigner would always be able to tell you what it is they want and finally admit that there is so little racism, that discussion needs to be contained to each issue or case, for example AI, rather than spreading inflammatory bollocks such as "Britain is a racist country."

I answered you already re Ben & Jerry's.

 

[StakerOne]

It's Jordan fucking Peterson

He does have a point though. How can anyone who is genuine about anti-racism work with an "anti-racist" when the "anti-racist" can't even tell you what they really want.

 

[StakerOne]

How does saying that allowing the people who are affected by racism to speak for their own experiences rather than allowing the majority ethnicity to define what is and isn't racism give him power, where he is himself of the majority ethnicity?

So a White victim of racism shouldn't be listend to?
You work at Rochdale Town Hall.

 

[Rimbaud]

It's about control and power from the middle classes up. Of course it is. Ask anyone peddling that shite, "How far is too far in your direction then?" - they can never give answer because the real answer is "ad infinitum". Only the power hungry would be elusive about what they want, because everything isn't enough.

A genuine anti-racist and equalities campaigner would always be able to tell you what it is they want and finally admit that there is so little racism, that discussion needs to be contained to each issue or case, for example AI, rather than spreading inflammatory bollocks such as "Britain is a racist country."

I answered you already re Ben & Jerry's.

So how does this give control to the middle classes then? How does that work exactly? How are you defining the middle class and how do they gain control by being anti-racist?

So you're boycotting Ben and Jerry's because they said something "incendiary" about immigration? What did they say exactly?

And for what it's worth, I actually think the UK is less racist than most countries - and that is largely because a sufficiently large demographic are willing to introspect and to challenge racist behaviour, rather than just denying any racism exists because they (the majority ethnic group) don't experience it directly. That a lot or even most British people want to oppose racism (even if they might still discriminate unconsciously) is also why it is profitable for companies to brand as anti-racist.

 

[Rimbaud]

So a White victim of racism shouldn't be listend to?
You work at Rochdale Town Hall.

If a white person is a victim of racism then of course they should be listened to, but that is hardly widespread in this country. You simply lack the self awareness, empathy and imagination to put yourself in the shoes of someone who isn't like you.

 

[StakerOne]

So how does this give control to the middle classes then? How does that work exactly? How are you defining the middle class and how do they gain control by being anti-racist?

So you're boycotting Ben and Jerry's because they said something "incendiary" about immigration? What did they say exactly?

And for what it's worth, I actually think the UK is less racist than most countries - and that is largely because a sufficiently large demographic are willing to introspect and to challenge racist behaviour, rather than just denying any racism exists because they (the majority ethnic group) don't experience it directly. That a lot or even most British people want to oppose racism (even if they might still discriminate unconsciously) is also why it is profitable for companies to brand as anti-racist.

I don't mind challenging racism on a case by case basis.
But you are at least implying that White people aren't affected by racism or by anti-racists taking things too far.

It's quite clear that there are some things you may find racist I do not.
But at least you can see where I view as taking things too far, because there is a point in which I would say "Hold on, that's racist."
Equally though, you have to at least be able to tell me how far is too far the other way.
If you can't do that, you're not debating in good faith. You're not being honest. That causes mistrust and then I start to assume that it's more about you and your asperations than about anti-racism.

 

[StakerOne]

If a white person is a victim of racism then of course they should be listened to, but that is hardly widespread in this country. You simply lack the self awareness, empathy and imagination to put yourself in the shoes of someone who isn't like you.

Despite not living in a neighbourhood that has many middle class liberals, I can emphasize with people of all colours who are victims of wokeness that creates friction within communities.

I'll make it easy for you.

Name me an instance where an anti-racism campaigner has taken things too far.

 

[Rimbaud]

I don't mind challenging racism on a case by case basis.
But you are at least implying that White people aren't affected by racism or by anti-racists taking things too far.

It's quite clear that there are some things you may find racist I do not.
But at least you can see where I view as taking things too far, because there is a point in which I would say "Hold on, that's racist."
Equally though, you have to at least be able to tell me how far is too far the other way.
If you can't do that, you're not debating in good faith. You're not being honest. That causes mistrust and then I start to assume that it's more about you and your asperations than about anti-racism.

You are making an awful lot of assumptions about me. First of all I am not an anti-racist activist, I am merely someone who disagrees with you.

You are also being very evasive and not giving me anything concrete. What exactly do you think I would find racist that you wouldn't?

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, I suppose the firm you work for is institutionally racist because its full to brim with people like you!

The firm I work for, trust me, employs an awful lot of people and we're too busy to fuck around with that bullshit. No safe places. And we all get along.

I'm sorry but you're clueless and should not be trusted when it comes to racism.

You clearly can't tell me how far is too far.

It's never too far, Why?

Because to you its not really about anti-racism, it's about control and power.

And you can never have too much of that.

Ergo, you're not anti racist, you're racist. An authoritarian left wing racist.

And if you want to change my mind on that, answer the question: How far is too far?

you don't seem too busy at all. indeed, you seem if anything underemployed

 

[Rimbaud]

Despite not living in a neighbourhood that has many middle class liberals, I can emphasize with people of all colours who are victims of wokeness that creates friction within communities.

I'll make it easy for you.

Name me an instance where an anti-racism campaigner has taken things too far.

I am sure I can find one but I'm actually not a committed anti-racist activist or anything and don't follow anti-racism campaigns especially closely. There has been plenty of cases of hounding people on Twitter that I considered to be excessive. Also complaints of "cultural appropriation" is frequently, but not always, not actually cared about by the people whose culture is being appropriated.

Also, I don't think middle class liberals are the only people who oppose racism.

 

[Pickman's model]

If a white person is a victim of racism then of course they should be listened to, but that is hardly widespread in this country. You simply lack the self awareness, empathy and imagination to put yourself in the shoes of someone who isn't like you.

There's lots of racism against people who are white but not British eg Irish, poles, Romanians. Generally by people who are white and british

 

[SpineyNorman]

He does have a point though. How can anyone who is genuine about anti-racism work with an "anti-racist" when the "anti-racist" can't even tell you what they really want.

If you find yourself agreeing with Peterson it's time to have a fucking word with yourself.

Also just because you don't understand what someone is telling you that doesn't mean they can't tell you. It just means you're fucking stupid.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Name me an instance where an anti-racism campaigner has taken things too far.

Shouldn't you be doing that since you're the only one who keeps whining about it?

 

[NoXion]

Well, I suppose the firm you work for is institutionally racist because its full to brim with people like you!

You don't even know what institutional racism even means, do you? The company I work for is decades old, and I've only been working there for a year and eight months. I'm sure institutional racism is a problem there as it is everywhere else in this country, but the difference is that my workplace is one of those where it's been decided that there's a business case for attempting to address it within the company.

The firm I work for, trust me, employs an awful lot of people and we're too busy to fuck around with that bullshit. No safe places. And we all get along.

Correction, you think you all get along. One of the bonuses of having LGBT+ and BAME spaces within a workplace is for there to be a forum where colleagues can talk about such issues, without fear of being shouted down or otherwise dismissed by some "colour blind" idiot who arrogantly assumes that everyone else sees things all the same way.

"No safe places", do you even read the shit you write? The whole damn workplace should be a safe place, you thundering moron.

I'm sorry but you're clueless and should not be trusted when it comes to racism.

You clearly can't tell me how far is too far.

It's never too far, Why?

Because to you its not really about anti-racism, it's about control and power.

And you can never have too much of that.

Eh? What the actual fuck are you dribbling on about now? I'm a peon who barely scraped through his last quarterly review. What power is it do you think that I wield? How does supporting BAME spaces at work give me, a white Briton, any power?

Ergo, you're not anti racist, you're racist. An authoritarian left wing racist.

And if you want to change my mind on that, answer the question: How far is too far?

How far is too far? I have no fucking clue what you're on about. I have no idea what you think lies further down this alleged slippery slope that you're obviously imagining I'm in favour of.

 

[Rob Ray]

I have no idea what you think lies further down this alleged slippery slope that you're obviously imagining I'm in favour of.

Ah you know the slope, it's that one where StakerOne ends up having an awkward meeting with HR. In which, presumably, he's putting the case that anti-fascists are the real fascists, when you think about it.

 

[Serge Forward]

Name me an instance where an anti-racism campaigner has taken things too far.

Don't tell me, the old "Baa baa green sheep" outrage? (Ahem... which never happened and was made up by a tabloid editor.)

 

[souljacker]

Don't tell me, the old "Baa baa green sheep" outrage? (Ahem... which never happened and was made up by a tabloid editor.)

I thought he was referring to that monstrous lady who saw racism where it apparently didn't exist and ended up destroying that lovely Lady Husseys career. It could be some other liberal woke snowflake though. Who knows?

 

[StakerOne]

Don't tell me, the old "Baa baa green sheep" outrage? (Ahem... which never happened and was made up by a tabloid editor.)

So you can't.
And I've already explained why.

 

[StakerOne]

Ah you know the slope, it's that one where StakerOne ends up having an awkward meeting with HR. In which, presumably, he's putting the case that anti-fascists are the real fascists, when you think about it.

I don't think fascists are people who are simply asking "anti-racists" what they want.