why has freedom of speech become the home to absolute turds

[Pickman's model]

Off course France is subject to the Human Rights Act, the only differece with France is that they have a history/tradition (Lacitie) state secularism, which could be argued is, at times, at direct odds with freedom of expression restrictions under Article 10 especially where religion is concerned .

Yes expression has to be proprotionate and so does any interference with it.

what other uk legislation do you believe also applies to france?

you do know the human rights act is uk legislation, right?

 

[butchersapron]

Off course France is subject to the Human Rights Act, the only differece with France is that they have a history/tradition (Lacitie) state secularism, which could be argued is, at times, at direct odds with freedom of expression restrictions under Article 10.

Yes expression has to be proprotionate and so does any interference with it.

The HRA is british legislation - it can't apply to production of magazines published in france can it? French law and european law can.

Article 10 which you quote only says that limits in expression must be proportionate - not the expression itself.

 

[Pac man]

Just edited my post to add 19(3) ICCPR. No the HRA is EU law not just UK law, where did you get that idea from???

 

[Pac man]

Article 10 which you quote only says that limits in expression must be proportionate - not the expression itself.

Whats the difference pray tell?

 

[Pickman's model]

Just edited my post to add 19(3) ICCPR. No the HRA is EU law not just UK law, where did you get that idea from???

er from the website which says the human rights act is uk law: Human Rights Act 1998

the hra incorporates the echr into uk law. as you'd know if you knew anything of the subject.

 

[Pac man]

er from the website which says the human rights act is uk law: Human Rights Act 1998

the hra incorporates the echr into uk law. as you'd know if you knew anything of the subject.

Stop with your bitching sweets lol. No Uk law has to be "read" in accordance with the HRA, its is subject to those Articles, just as all member states are that are members of the Council of Europe. ETA the HRA is part of the European Convention of Human Rights, so its quite pedantic to seperate the two when the principles are the same.

 

[newbie]

I'm also a bit clueless about it, but it does seem rather like the Catalan president has been arrested basically for asking the question and expressing his view that the result should be respected.

google reveals the charges to be "rebellion, sedition and misuse of public funds" and then says sedition is "conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch." I don't know enough to say how many years they've been doing the speech aspect of that, but it looks like the arrest warrants were issued as a result of their conduct stepping beyond their local government powers.

 

[butchersapron]

Whats the difference pray tell?

What's the difference between a claim that expression has to be proportionate and it not having to be proportionate?

 

[Pac man]

What's the difference between a claim that expression has to be proportionate and it not having to be proportionate?

Really? this is getting rather boring now.

 

[Pickman's model]

Stop with your bitching sweets lol. No Uk law has to be "read" in accordance with the HRA, its is subject to those Articles, just as all member states are that are members of the Council of Europe.

my sweets are always bitching, chuck

you're as well-informed on this subject as you doubtless are on the religious festivals of the yakut.

 

[Pac man]

my sweets are always bitching, chuck

you're as well-informed on this subject as you doubtless are on the religious festivals of the yakut.

you'll do for me chuck

 

[Pac man]

Picmans model you like quoting me before giving me chance to edit or add further explanations, you know i struggle to type and express myself right, weve been here before. I remember a promise to be civil to oneanother, are you a welcher?
And what does pa stand for that you sometimes put after a quote?

 

[Pickman's model]

Picmans model you like quoting me before giving me chance to edit or add further explanations, you know i struggle to type and express myself right, weve been here before. I remember a promise to be civil to oneanother, are you a welcher?

there's no need to bring in vile racial slurs, chuck

i have been entirely civil to you, so i don't know what you're complaining about

 

[Pickman's model]

Just edited my post to add 19(3) ICCPR. No the HRA is EU law not just UK law, where did you get that idea from???

the human rights act was passed by the uk parliament to incorporate the echr into uk law. the echr is not eu law, as it was promulgated by the council of europe rather than the eu. the european court which adjudicates human rights cases is nothing to do with the eu either.

 

[Pac man]

there's no need to bring in vile racial slurs, chuck

Racial slur? its an old "racing" slur, to welch on a bet..racial slur

 

[Pac man]

the human rights act was passed by the uk parliament to incorporate the echr into uk law. the echr is not eu law, as it was promulgated by the council of europe rather than the eu. the european court which adjudicates human rights cases is nothing to do with the eu either.

As i added in my previous post. Its simply a way of incoproprating the principles concepts and morals from the European Convention of Human Rights into the UK. Those principles and concepts are applicable throughout most of Europe. Im not sure what you mean when you say the European Court is not part of the EU, do you mean the ECJ or the European Court of Human Rights?

 

[Pickman's model]

Racial slur? its an old "racing" slur, to welch on a bet..racial slur

 

[Spymaster]

Racial slur? its an old "racing" slur, to welch on a bet..racial slur

It's from "Welsh", the implication being that Welsh people cheat on bets and can't be trusted.

 

[Pickman's model]

As i added in my previous post. Its simply a way of incoproprating the principles concepts and morals from the European Convention of Human Rights into the UK. Those principles and concepts are applicable throughout most of Europe. Im not sure what you mean when you say the European Court is not part of the EU, do you mean the ECJ or the European Court of Human Rights?

1) you've said above the hra applies to france. do you want to reconsider that?
2) do you think the european court of justice, the highest court of the european union, is nothing to do with the eu?

 

[Pac man]

1) you've said above the hra applies to france. do you want to reconsider that?
2) do you think the european court of justice, the highest court of the european union, is nothing to do with the eu?

1)The concepts and principles are the same hows that for ya.
2)Just testing you sweets

 

[Pickman's model]

1)The concepts and principles are the same hows that for ya.
2)Just testing you sweets

the uk has a law on murder, just as the french do. the concepts and principles are the same. do you think the uk law on murder applies to france?

 

[Pac man]

the uk has a law on murder, just as the french do. the concepts and principles are the same. do you think the uk law on murder applies to france?

Only English speaking countries use the Common law, so whilst France isnt a common law jurisdicton, many other coutries do apply very similar concepts through the common law on murder, as you know murder has develooped in the UK through the common law and as yet despite requests for legistlation, its been dodged. Now if you dont mind, play time is over..

 

[Pickman's model]

Only English speaking countries use the Common law, so whilst France isnt a common law jurisdicton, many other coutries do apply very similar concepts through the common law on murder, as you know murder has develooped in the UK through the common law and as yet despite requests for legistlation, its been dodged. Now if you dont mind, play time is over..

yeh scurry back to the classroom, chuck, don't keep the teacher waiting

 

[Pac man]

This is my classroom and i appreciate the refresher, its been 15 years since i studied law..its good to be part of a community that doesnt judge and likes to help Its nice to be nice. You were right about one thing though looking back at European Union Law (which i hated) i got a mark of 40 .

The 1st year which doesnt count towards your grade, went as follows.
Jurisprudence 55
Contractual Obligations 45
Introduction to Law 46
Public Law and the Constitution 60
Criminal Law 52
Tortious Obligations 58

year 2
Property Law 1- Land and Land Law 60
Property Law 2- Equity and Trusts 50
Public Law and Administration 62
European Union Law 40
Common Law 61
Family Law 53

So i really needed to pull it out of the bag to get a 2:1 in my final year. Sadly i had a break down and was suffering with PTSD and other serious Psychiatric issues, as well as caring for my granny with Dementia, plus having one eye..id like to see you do any better under the circumstancer

Year 3
Employment Law 66
Criminal Evidence 67
Intelectual Property Law 60
Current Issues In Evidence Law 66
Restoratative Justice 45 (was gutted about this)
Medicine, Ethics and the Law 68

You are free to belittle all you like

 

[Pickman's model]

This is my classroom and i appreciate the refresher, its been 15 years since i studied law..its good to be part of a community that doesnt judge and likes to help Its nice to be nice. You were right about one thing though looking back at European Union Law (which i hated) i got a mark of 40 .

The 1st year which doesnt count towards your grade, went as follows.
Jurisprudence 55
Contractual Obligations 45
Introduction to Law 46
Public Law and the Constitution 60
Criminal Law 52
Tortious Obligations 58

year 2
Property Law 1- Land and Land Law 60
Property Law 2- Equity and Trusts 50
Public Law and Administration 62
European Union Law 40
Common Law 61
Family Law 53

So i really needed to pull it out of the bag to get a 2:1 in my final year. Sadly i had a break down and was suffering with PTSD and other serious Psychiatric issues, as well as caring for my granny with Dementia, plus having one eye..id like to see you do any better under the circumstancer

Year 3
Employment Law 66
Criminal Evidence 67
Intelectual Property Law 60
Current Issues In Evidence Law 66
Restoratative Justice 45 (was gutted about this)
Medicine, Ethics and the Law 68

You are free to belittle all you like

yeh. there's something really rather desperate about pulling out a transcript from 15 years ago to demonstrate knowledge here, in particular when you've declared above that an act of the uk parliament applies to france when you've declared that the echr is eu law you'd really have been better off leaving us in ignorance of your auld degree when you've made errors which would humiliate someone studying 'a' level law.

 

[Pac man]

Like i said its good to have a refresher, and if you knew ANYTHING about mental illness, youd know that suffering that breakdown cost me a career, a life and a family so with all due respect i couldnt have given a fuck about the law or myself and it took ten years of living in squalar with no support from mental health services left to rot and suffer pain like you cant imagine, because if you could you would show a little more empathy. Its been two years of therapy to get where i am today, and nobody can take away what i did, and trying to belittle me is rather desperate in itself. In fact it comes across as bullying, rude and intimidating, but whatever floats your boat chuck.

 

[Pickman's model]

Like i said its good to have a refresher, and if you knew ANYTHING about mental illness, youd know that suffering that breakdown cost me a career, a life and a family so with all due respect i couldnt have given a fuck about the law or myself and it took ten years of living in squalar with no support from mental health services left to rot and suffer pain like you cant imagine, because if you could you would show a little more empathy. Its been two years of therapy to get where i am today, and nobody can take away what i did, and trying to belittle me is rather desperate in itself. In fact it comes across as bullying, rude and intimidating, but whatever floats your boat chuck.

you don't know anything of my past, and believe you me i know something of living in squalor with no support from mental health services. however, you don't see me dredge up my qualifications to bolster my claims to authority, particularly where that authority's been undermined by simple errors of fact which i'd expect anyone with any knowledge of the law to know.

 

[Shechemite]

Since when is it bullying to point out factual errors?

 

[Pac man]

i do have knowledge of the law stop being a bellend, it was a while ago and some areas im more familiar with than others. Like i said, i lost all interest when i lost my family and my career, my life fell apart due to the onset of serious psychiatric illness..i coulndt have given a fuck about the law i was too ill to even express my needs, if it wasnt for my nephews and nices id have topped myself long ago. I brought up my qualifications to show you, because you come acroos as very rude, cowardly and belittling. Wheras i come actoos a polite, honest even if i make mistakes ..what i dont do and would never do is set out to undermine, belittle or intimdate others, either online or in real life. You targeted me ages ago and the Editor warned you never to respond, i gave you a chance and still will, but please be mindful of your posting style when talking with vulnerable adults.

 

[krtek a houby]

i do have knowledge of the law stop being a bellend, it was a while ago and some areas im more familiar with than others. Like i said, i lost all interest when i lost my family and my career, my life fell apart due to the onset of serious psychiatric illness..i coulndt have given a fuck about the law i was too ill to even express my needs, if it wasnt for my nephews and nices id have topped myself long ago. I brought up my qualifications to show you, because you come acroos as very rude, cowardly and belittling. Wheras i come actoos a polite, honest even if i make mistakes ..what i dont do and would never do is set out to undermine, belittle or intimdate others, either online or in real life. You targeted me ages ago and the Editor warned you never to respond, i gave you a chance and still will, but please be mindful of your posting style when talking with vulnerable adults.

He's got form for it, I'm afraid. Put him on ignore. He'll still persist (for his audience) but you don't have to read his shit anymore.

Sorry about your troubles.