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Who will be the next Labour leader?

Who will replace Corbyn?

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Kevbad the Bad said:
Yeah, but people have lost sight of all that they believe in, JC pretending to watch the Queen on Xmas day, candidates saying they’d press the button in imaginary unspecified circumstances. Real people can smell rats too.
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I don't see what that post has to do this thread. Happy xmas though!
 
Again, i blame chris morris. A generation of polemic stunted by the BBC/C4 and people who claimed to be first generation graduates/on a scholarship.

Nothing added, no analysis.
 
They ought not to be played again, as it was clear they were going to be in the run up to last month's general election. Knowing their place and abiding by the rules that were dictated to them (but didn't apply to the Tories) fucked us. So, don't try and be too clever, just go for the one who is most gifted at twatting the Tories.

Sell socialism. And get good at it. Set traps for them or allow them to fall into those of their own making and take it from there. In other words: we want someone who will dare to oppose rather than applaud their 'colleagues', who are in fact their enemies. Or at least they are my enemies as well as all the rest of us who get the end of the stick from rich Tories.

I'd go as far left as possible. And again, don't try and be too clever. Set your stall out and make your case. Seize on their crimes and exploit the political opportunity. Why play nice? THEY aren't nice.
 
What amazes me (but probably shouldn't) is that after Labour's growing disappearance in working class towns, after the Brexit vote, even after the gen election, people on here are still posing the problem as 'how should Labour do little more than pull the levers to the point where people vote differently in 5 years'. Rather than thinking about the party in a deep relationship with voters - something set in day to day life, in places - something that finally moves beyond the idea of the party as the place where politics and power are done, paradoxically, the working class becomes no more than a herd of people to be corralled (the working class as an extension of the party). Can't say I've been reading the different candidates statements, haven't really imagining Sir Keir Starmer of Emily Thornberry would be planning to extend and shift the party towards being a social movement tbh. But, from what I've seen, the left has been just as bad. Rebecca Long Bailey's thing that said the word 'community' every paragraph was a garbled mishmash of contradictory ideas that showed nothing had really changed. Things are going to be fucking awful and all the Labour Party will have will be something slightly to the left (or right) of Ed Miliband, but with added 'patriotism'.

Edit: not aimed at the post above, just a generic wail of despair.
 
Labour’s heartlands may be gone for ever. It needs to find new ones
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Labour’s heartlands may be gone for ever. It needs to find new ones | Andy Beckett

The northern towns have changed. But in cities the party has adapted well to the shifts and disruptions of the modern world, says Guardian columnist Andy Beckett
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Labour could wait for that relationship to go wrong. But there is no guarantee that voters will then return to Labour. The Brexit party, or some other, yet-to-be-formed vehicle for nationalism, or regional pride, or nostalgia, may appeal to an ageing electorate more.


Labour will probably have to accept that some of its old “heartlands” are gone for good. In the cities, and in growing southern towns such as Swindon, which New Labour won and the party has since lost, Labour will have to build new ones.
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Andy Beckett in the Guardian make it clear that Labour should abandon/forget about the 'traditional working class, gets a lot of recs as well.
 
treelover said:
Andy Beckett in the Guardian make it clear that Labour should abandon/forget about the 'traditional working class, gets a lot of recs as well.
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Are you, Beckett or anyone else really suggesting or claiming that "adapting to the shifts and disruptions of the modern world" is equivalent to abandoning or forgetting about the "traditional working class"?
 
Humberto said:
They ought not to be played again, as it was clear they were going to be in the run up to last month's general election. Knowing their place and abiding by the rules that were dictated to them (but didn't apply to the Tories) fucked us. So, don't try and be too clever, just go for the one who is most gifted at twatting the Tories.

Sell socialism. And get good at it. Set traps for them or allow them to fall into those of their own making and take it from there. In other words: we want someone who will dare to oppose rather than applaud their 'colleagues', who are in fact their enemies. Or at least they are my enemies as well as all the rest of us who get the end of the stick from rich Tories.

I'd go as far left as possible. And again, don't try and be too clever. Set your stall out and make your case. Seize on their crimes and exploit the political opportunity. Why play nice? THEY aren't nice.
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I think the election result made it fairly clear, that by no measure, are all of those who voted for he Conservatives rich.
 
Starmer apparantly has Ben Nunn a private healthcare lobbyist and Matt Pound the National Coordinator for Labour First who decribed his job within Labour First as to "organise full-time against the left" on his election staff.
 
The39thStep said:
Starmer apparantly has Ben Nunn a private healthcare lobbyist and Matt Pound the National Coordinator for Labour First who decribed his job within Labour First as to "organise full-time against the left" on his election staff.
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Starmer's campaign chief is Simon Fletcher, prominent left-winger and Corbyn's former chief of staff.
 
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