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Who will be the next Labour leader?

Who will replace Corbyn?

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Don Troooomp said:
It's becoming pretty obvious Corbyn is far from popular among the UK population and is very probably the single biggest reason Labour is doing so badly.
Assuming (not that big an assumption given the bloody terrible looking polls) the Tories take the election in a landslide, or at least a large majority, who will be the next leader when Corbyn is forced out?

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Fuck off
 
Don Troooomp said:
I like Kier, much of his appeal being his pro-EU stance (and voting record), positive opinions on gay rights and same sex marriage, and his general attitude to things. There are a couple of things I'm not too sure about, especially Trident, but I was impressed with his ability to say his piece on difficult and emotional subjects such as euthanasia.
He comes over well in front of a camera, is clearly a very bright bloke, and someone who could well make an excellent party leader - A man who could take Labour into a future election and win.
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So you've answered Smokeandsteam 's question finally. You want Starmer.

You're wrong. He's useless and Labour would get absolutely battered by the Tories in this election if Starmer were the leader.
 
Pickman's model said:
top trolling by the op
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No trolling from me.
I want a strong Labour party able so slap Johnson and the tories down, and that means a new leader. No matter how much Corbyn's supporters try to paint anyone who says anything against him as anti Labour, or just trolls, the election result is looking like it's going to bring a crushing defeat and that will, or at least bloody well should, make a leadership battle inevitable.
The trick is going to be finding a leader the public can back, but those debates have to be held out of the way of the press so a unified front can be shown in front of everyone, including the tories.
Once Labour gets a new, acceptable, and strong leader able to take Johnson on at the ballot box, Labour has a chance to find itself with a leader in number ten.

So, as the polls are looking lousy, thus a leadership contest is on the cards, who do you think should be in the job?
 
Don Troooomp said:
No trolling from me.
I want a strong Labour party able so slap Johnson and the tories down, and that means a new leader. No matter how much Corbyn's supporters try to paint anyone who says anything against him as anti Labour, or just trolls, the election result is looking like it's going to bring a crushing defeat and that will, or at least bloody well should, make a leadership battle inevitable.
The trick is going to be finding a leader the public can back, but those debates have to be held out of the way of the press so a unified front can be shown in front of everyone, including the tories.
Once Labour gets a new, acceptable, and strong leader able to take Johnson on at the ballot box, Labour has a chance to find itself with a leader in number ten.

So, as the polls are looking lousy, thus a leadership contest is on the cards, who do you think should be in the job?
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Why are you asking me questions before you answer the questions I put to you? Back up your claim I've shown support for Corbyn or apologise.
 
Don Troooomp said:
No trolling from me.
I want a strong Labour party able so slap Johnson and the tories down, and that means a new leader. No matter how much Corbyn's supporters try to paint anyone who says anything against him as anti Labour, or just trolls, the election result is looking like it's going to bring a crushing defeat and that will, or at least bloody well should, make a leadership battle inevitable.
The trick is going to be finding a leader the public can back, but those debates have to be held out of the way of the press so a unified front can be shown in front of everyone, including the tories.
Once Labour gets a new, acceptable, and strong leader able to take Johnson on at the ballot box, Labour has a chance to find itself with a leader in number ten.

So, as the polls are looking lousy, thus a leadership contest is on the cards, who do you think should be in the job?
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There's an awful lot of public out there. Do you mean the whole public? If not, who? And do you think some people might actually back Corbyn and some not? Do you have statistics to back up your answers?

Your arguments are really quite nebulous. And I speak as the mother of a 'politically engaged' 13 year old.
 
Don Troooomp said:
No trolling from me.
I want a strong Labour party able so slap Johnson and the tories down, and that means a new leader. No matter how much Corbyn's supporters try to paint anyone who says anything against him as anti Labour, or just trolls, the election result is looking like it's going to bring a crushing defeat and that will, or at least bloody well should, make a leadership battle inevitable.
The trick is going to be finding a leader the public can back, but those debates have to be held out of the way of the press so a unified front can be shown in front of everyone, including the tories.
Once Labour gets a new, acceptable, and strong leader able to take Johnson on at the ballot box, Labour has a chance to find itself with a leader in number ten.

So, as the polls are looking lousy, thus a leadership contest is on the cards, who do you think should be in the job?
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You want secret leadership debates, you want a leadership election in the middle of a GE campaign, you want that horrible android Starme to be able to connect with the public. What else do you want, unicorns that shit ice cream?
 
Not in the middle of an election run no matter how bad it's looking, but talks need to be going on now to sort out who the replacement will be in order to have a smooth changeover after the election.
If it can be set up as a united front, the new leader will have a better chance against Johnson.
 
As for secrets, yes.
The arguing has to be done behind closed doors so the shite daily mail and their like have nothing to say.
Once that's sorted, on with the public part of the process.
 
Don Troooomp said:
As for secrets, yes.
The arguing has to be done behind closed doors so the shite daily mail and their like have nothing to say.
Once that's sorted, on with the public part of the process.
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Of course, no-one will ever find out that Labour were choosing their next leader behind closed doors, mid-election, essentially admitting to themselves they have no chance of winning. That would definitely stay under wraps. Of course.
 
It's almost as if this idiot hasn't yet grasped that playing the game in semi public, leaking, making elements of the media a willing tool of your agenda are a large part of the game now. And have been for a long time. This is political naivity of the first water.
 
Don Troooomp said:
No trolling from me.
I want a strong Labour party able so slap Johnson and the tories down, and that means a new leader. No matter how much Corbyn's supporters try to paint anyone who says anything against him as anti Labour, or just trolls, the election result is looking like it's going to bring a crushing defeat and that will, or at least bloody well should, make a leadership battle inevitable.
The trick is going to be finding a leader the public can back, but those debates have to be held out of the way of the press so a unified front can be shown in front of everyone, including the tories.
Once Labour gets a new, acceptable, and strong leader able to take Johnson on at the ballot box, Labour has a chance to find itself with a leader in number ten.

So, as the polls are looking lousy, thus a leadership contest is on the cards, who do you think should be in the job?
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Jeremy Corbyn
 
Don Troooomp said:
As for secrets, yes.
The arguing has to be done behind closed doors so the shite daily mail and their like have nothing to say.
Once that's sorted, on with the public part of the process.
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Is this some sort of post-modernist joke?

I'm aware that, generally speaking, sections of the left are far more concerned even to the point of obsession about the line/the leader/purity/sectarian point scoring/ego than addressing the immediate problems that confront the class it professes to lead. I am aware hobbyism is the real motivation for swathes of the wankers and balloons. That's a given. Let those of us who despise them for it suck it up for another month.

But this is an election like no other in living memory. There is a choice between the election of a party committed to furthering neoliberalism and seeking to fuse it into popular expression. Or there is a party that - despite 1 million caveats, some serious - promises to turn the compass in a minutely different direction and back towards some form of social democratic breathing space. It's hard to think, under current conditions, of a more fundamental moment.

And at that very moment you suggest a secret process to potentially undo it. To focus away from the choice. To look inwards. You are a joke.
 
Don Troooomp said:
Not in the middle of an election run no matter how bad it's looking, but talks need to be going on now to sort out who the replacement will be in order to have a smooth changeover after the election.
If it can be set up as a united front, the new leader will have a better chance against Johnson.
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talks must be had so it can all be stitched up

yeh you really believe in democracy
 
Smokeandsteam said:
There is a choice between the election of a party committed to furthering neoliberalism and seeking to fuse it into popular expression. Or there is a party that - despite 1 million caveats, some serious - promises to turn the compass in a minutely different direction and back towards some form of social democratic breathing space. It's hard to think, under current conditions, of a more fundamental moment.
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Just this...thanks.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
Depends how badly he loses, If it's like 2017 and we have another minority Tory goverment then he may stay on longer in case there is yet another election soon.
If the current polls do pan out then it doesn't really matter who the next leader of the Labour Party is because he/she will have no chance of being PM either.
When Maggie T won in 1979 pretty much everyone I knew consoled themselves with the thought she would be gone in 5 years. If Boris gets returned with a majority of 100+ then we are in for 10-15 years of the bastard and it won't be Corbyn's successor than might win but the leader after them which rules out people like Starmer or indeed anyone currently prominent.
 
If Johnson gets returned with 100+ majority I suspect Labour is done for a generation, which may well mean forever.
 
MickiQ said:
Depends how badly he loses, If it's like 2017 and we have another minority Tory goverment then he may stay on longer in case there is yet another election soon.
If the current polls do pan out then it doesn't really matter who the next leader of the Labour Party is because he/she will have no chance of being PM either.
When Maggie T won in 1979 pretty much everyone I knew consoled themselves with the thought she would be gone in 5 years. If Boris gets returned with a majority of 100+ then we are in for 10-15 years of the bastard and it won't be Corbyn's successor than might win but the leader after them which rules out people like Starmer or indeed anyone currently prominent.
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chilango said:
If Johnson gets returned with 100+ majority I suspect Labour is done for a generation, which may well mean forever.
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i'd like to see the working behind it because it seems to me based more on despondency than on any actual acute judgement.

whoever is in power next, be they labour or tory, is going to be a bit fucked. fucked if they engineer a remain, fucked probably greater if they engineer a departure from the eu. in the latter case there will be many years of brexit legislation and stagnation before us. not to mention all the other issues which would pop up as a result of a johnson departure eg the us trade deal which might never happen due to the gfa. i can't see this really improving the next administration's chances at the ballot box in c.2024. and that's before you factor in the various hurdles johnson would have to jump to remain prime minister, e.g. the investigation about his relationship with arcuri.

so 2 or 3 terms of tories? maybe 1.
 
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