fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
Can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not?
Who will be the next Labour leader?
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
By this stage she knows she's not going to be leader (if she didn't a long time ago) it's about positioning herself afterwards
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Certainly the 'Leader' of blueLab, now...and probably already calculating positioning for when Starmer's lurch to the right fails at the next GE.
Why did Corbz get so many votes in 2017 then?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I don’t think so. On both counts. Her policy ‘offer’ is deliberately impenetrable in places and often contradictory. But what emerges when she has been pressed on the detail are politics very similar to Starmer. She’s a better communicator. She cloaks the analysis in northern common sense language (as opposed to Starmer’s metropolitan narrating class pomposity) but fundamentally she ends with the same diagnosis as him.
On your second point I think she is trying to do two things here: ensure a high profile shadow cabinet role once Starmer is elected and I expect her to try to rack up enough votes to get Starmer in on second preference votes
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Fair points, but her long game will have give enough distance from Starmer to allow her to conduct the same sort of schtick when he fails.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Yeah agree with smokeandsteam. Nandy's politics are pretty much same old same old (post) soft leftism labourite bollocks, she just does a semi decent job at obscuring her politics to play to different galleries. Her voting record and history doesn't really support a blue labour true believer, they both just see use in each other (like with miliband, also dreary same old post soft left)
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Mind you, I did it this morning, narrowed my eyes and gritted my teeth and voted RLB and Nandy as second pref, didn't use third pref, fuck off posh chin. Next step is to cancel political fund, fuck participating in this bollocks again
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
who did you vote deputy?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Rayner and then on spur of moment and as a fuck it I went burgon as second pref then came over all funny feeling. What a shit show
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
We also need to stop the Ed Miliband redux comparisons with Waitrose. The role he’ll play is far closer to Kinnock. Elected using the language of the left (and to be fair Kinnock had a better track record and use of the language) to move Labour to the right as fast as he can
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Like proper tidy I’ll be resigning the political fund the moment this man is elected leader.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
This is particularly low:
Proper Tidy
Arsed
No other candidate has begged for money like this and the way it is presented as if its donations for labour to fight the tories.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Further evidence, if it was needed, that Waitrose is unfit for the leadership of the Labour Party. No lessons learnt from December. The smug insistence that he knows best. An explicit refusal to accept why the approach is toxic to voters
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
Why have you signed up to receive email communications from him if you loathe him so?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Don't suppose it's active; I presume that the candidates forked out £6k for the members, affiliates & supporters so they could bomb out the emails etc
cantsin
Well-Known Member
we all f*cking got them
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
can you point me to the policy that demands rejoining the EU?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I haven't, that was sent to every member and 'affiliated member' (in an affiliated trade union w/ political fund). I'm not even in the labour party.
Would have thought you'd have known that, you seem pretty heavy in
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Tbf this is at least as bad:
Can you point me to Keir Starmer demanding rejoining the EU?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Joined a union to defend my conditions and end up getting emails from chris fucking addison or personal injury solicitors, fucking modern trade unionism
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Did you read the link I posted? Unlike RLB and Nandy Starmer refuses to rule out seeking to rejoin the EU.
Leaving aside the fact that this isn’t party policy - as you suggest it is - but after the referendum and the GE how much more evidence does Starmer need that his politics and instincts run counter to ordinary people? What does it say about his political judgment? Why would labour elect someone so out of touch?
Because the members prefer him or his policies to the other choices?
I didn’t suggest it was party policy. Simply that the members would like it to be so. Reflected if they choose to elect Starmer as their leader.
Ordinary people that aren’t members of the labour party?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
What evidence have you got that Labour Party members want a campaign to rejoin the EU? Are you suggesting that they are as stupid as Starmer?
The idea that in 5 years time/10 years time there will be a popular impulse to rejoin the flagging neo-liberal EU project is frankly, fucking ridiculous.
If he said it and they vote for him.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Tbh a huge chunk of the membership are as stupid as starmer as to think it's a good idea, dunno whether a majority but there are plenty of them. The bellends.
Not the racist bellends that voted Tory or didn’t vote for Corbyn then.
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