invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
DrJazzz said:
Do you have a source for that statistic, or did you make it up ?
who is responsible for the London attacks?
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Do you have a source for that statistic, or did you make it up ?
invisibleplanet said:
"Even now, CCTV is the ever-present eye in shopping centres, railway stations and airports and it is most definitely watching you.
According to statistics, the average citizen is caught on CCTV cameras 300 times a day.
There are 25 million CCTV cameras in operation worldwide, with 2.5 million in the UK. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1789157.stm
Do you know what the police do or do not have? Why should they release all their evidence? Can you give me some examples of the police broadcasting CCTV footage of crimes, other than snippets or stills when they are appealing for witnesses or identification etc?DrJazzz said:
I have asked you this so many times and you *always* ignore the question.
TeeJay said:
We know that they have a CCTV image of 4 blokes at Portla... I mean Luton. That's a known fact because we have all seen it on the telly. Everything else is purely a narrative construct doing the work of the evidence none of us have seen, but which nonetheless seems to be enough to convince some people with particularly low evidential thresholds that it was 4 black blokes from Yorkshire wot done it.
Why to be rational of course. You can't go around accusing people of the most heinous crimes with out presenting any concrete evidence. Why should we believe a story concocted by a vicious state engaged in an illegal policy of international banditry? Every police state that has ever existed, ever since the emergence of the nation state in the 15th century, has been ushered in on the basis of lies deceit and violence. Why should the one Blair and his corporate cronies are hoping to shackle us with now be any different?
Ever watched any of the 500 episodes of Crime Watch appealing for witnesses etc',, or are you always out that night?
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hiraethified
The evidence will be presented duing the inquest.bigfish said:
Any chance of you shutting the fuck up with your wild speculation, tediously predictable knee-jerk conspiralooning and 4th form poetry until people have had a chance to examine the actual evidence presented correctly at the appropriate time?
I specifically said "other than snippets or stills when they are appealing for witnesses or identification".bigfish said:
What purpose would it serve showing any more CCTV footage that may exist if the police are already happy that they have established the identities of the bombers?
Can you or Dr Jazzz show us a single example wher the police have disclosed evidence, including CCTV footage, just for the hell of it (ie not as part of an appeal for witnesses or to establish the identity of people pictured on footage)? Can you show us a case where the police publish their evidence before any trial or inquest?
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
The UK is not a police state.bigfish said:
invisibleplanet said:
No, its a ZOG state run by lizards, open your EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
The UK is mostly still a pretty good place. Hysterical nonsense apart, I'm continually being impressed with the resilience of our communities, all things considered. Of course there are idiots, but they are evidently in the minority.
Things could really be a lot worse. Look at the Irish Troubles or the Balkans.
Recognising a tendency that way in our current government is one thing, getting us mixed up with actual, electrodes to the genitals, police states is another. That tendency needs to be checked, but I just don't see how talking obvious bullshit about the current situation really helps to check it.
Things could really be a lot worse. Look at the Irish Troubles or the Balkans.
Recognising a tendency that way in our current government is one thing, getting us mixed up with actual, electrodes to the genitals, police states is another. That tendency needs to be checked, but I just don't see how talking obvious bullshit about the current situation really helps to check it.
How many more over-crowded prisons, fitting up of innocent people, fatal "mistakes", deployments of riot police at peaceful demonstrations, and massive databases does it take?invisibleplanet said:
invisibleplanet said:
There are degrees of everything, and i'd say that the UK certainly satisfies the definition of a police state so far as some british folk are concerned.
And we now have quite a few laws that are a throwback to the south africa of the 60s and 70s.
It may not be one now, when we think of nasty torturing, but the longer we kid ourselves we're not going that way, then the more likely we will have regressed alarmingly from a democracy to a police state.
Maybe we already have.
invisibleplanet said:
I did not say that the UK "IS" a police state, I said that Blair and his corporate cronies would like to shackle us to one if they can. Obviously, the British people might raise some objections. In any event the measures announced by Blair on August 5 under the pretext of combating terrorism show clearly enough how this government views democratic rights to be incompatible with its policy of international banditry abroad and its pro-business agenda at home.
Blair has announced a raft of measures that are openly directed against immigrants and Muslims. The trouble is these measures also set the stage for attacks on the right to free speech and for the criminalisation of all forms of political dissent.
Britain is not a police state... yet, but it has moved decisively closer to becoming one, with the bombings on July 7 providing the pretext.
Bernie Gunther said:
Yawn.
Here's some more bullshit for you to take on board.
<gulp!>Al-Qa'ida planning fuel truck attacks on London, warns US<double gulp!>
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article305768.ece
Special investigation: Are <double gulp!>'Muslim Boys' using profits of crime to fund terrorist attacks?<triple gulp!>
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article305781.ece
Read all about it!
Get your myths here!
Fear propaganda not journalism. Copyright Rent-a-pen PLC
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hiraethified
I'd rather read the Indendent that the rent-a-fruitloop shite you usually peddle here to be honest.bigfish said:
But instead of endlessly whining here, why don't you get off your lazy, moaning arse and write something yourself?
You seem to think you can see through all the media lies and know better.
Prove it.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
If it's a question of evidence, where are we to look in cases like this? I tend to rely on academic sources and the outcomes of court cases wherever possible, because there is at least some process in place with rules of evidence. So I think I'm going to wait until the court cases are finished.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
What I'm not going to do thank you very much, is eagerly jump to the least likely conclusion because it's somehow more existentially fulfilling to do that.
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hiraethified
I'd say that the most sensible course of action would be to actually wait and see what evidence is being presented first before hatching wild, fanciful yarns involving massive, murderous conspiracies and the complicit involvement of hundreds, if not thousands of people.Bernie Gunther said:
Sadly, conspiraloons rarely trouble their overactive imaginatations with such trifles as evidence, proof, credible sources, expert analysis etc etc.
Sadlly reactionary editors strangle all free thought because they worry about their readership as they lust over future positions in NOTW columns.editor said:
Hehe
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