DrJazzz said:eh? Isn't wanting to find someone a good reason for releasing a picture, like the all the 21/7 images?
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Depends on the circumstances, especially what else is known / not known.
who is responsible for the London attacks?
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Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Depends on the circumstances, especially what else is known / not known.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
like what donald rumsfeld said.detective-boy said:
Well I've been posting this point around a few places now, and others are starting to pick up on it.
No Video of the 3 Bombers Inside the London Subway Cars before they blew up?
Also of note is that our underground CCTV is monitored by an Israeli security company, Verint (source)
No Video of the 3 Bombers Inside the London Subway Cars before they blew up?
Also of note is that our underground CCTV is monitored by an Israeli security company, Verint (source)
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
bigfishbigfish said:Ooh, look, a demand for "originality" form the Pedant King... how novel is that!?
for how long have you actively sought to make yourself look a wanker?
From the link above.
The families of the 4 men, along with their legal advisers, community leaders and MP's, should all be demanding to urgently view this supposed CCTV footage or, better still, demanding its release into the public domain. That way the families and the rest of us might be reassured that the investigation is proceeding with all due diligence, in a proper and judicious manner, free from any political meddling and interference.
The families of the 4 men, along with their legal advisers, community leaders and MP's, should all be demanding to urgently view this supposed CCTV footage or, better still, demanding its release into the public domain. That way the families and the rest of us might be reassured that the investigation is proceeding with all due diligence, in a proper and judicious manner, free from any political meddling and interference.
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The Muslim men are claimed to have ridden from Luton to King's Cross where they split up to take separate trains. t takes about 25 minutes to ride from Luton station to where the bombs were detonated.
Therefore, there MUST be some 25 minutes continuous video of first four men, riding from Luton, then video of each (supposed) "Muslim" Bomber, seated with his rucksack on each of the 3 separate Underground cars, riding from King's Cross - to where the 3 bombs exploded SIMULTANEOUSLY!
If the London Police CANNOT produce those videos they SHOULD possess, the accused 4 men, 3 supposedly with rucksack bombs, were NOT on the Underground train cars, did NOT detonate bombs! And the Police are LYING.
from Big Fish
On the past thing, i thought i saw a still of at least one off the blokes in king cross.
You're doing bloody well to get from luton station ,once you're on the train, in 25 mins, You've got to get your tickets, can take a while at luton, get throu the stupid machines, your also assuming they got an intercity or at least one of the trains that does very few stops. The luton trains dont have video camaras on them, or there be a lot of people busted at night for all sorts of naughty behavour .when have the tubes had cctv on them? in fact what r u talking about? Have the CIA been putting LSD in your tea?
The Muslim men are claimed to have ridden from Luton to King's Cross where they split up to take separate trains. t takes about 25 minutes to ride from Luton station to where the bombs were detonated.
Therefore, there MUST be some 25 minutes continuous video of first four men, riding from Luton, then video of each (supposed) "Muslim" Bomber, seated with his rucksack on each of the 3 separate Underground cars, riding from King's Cross - to where the 3 bombs exploded SIMULTANEOUSLY!
If the London Police CANNOT produce those videos they SHOULD possess, the accused 4 men, 3 supposedly with rucksack bombs, were NOT on the Underground train cars, did NOT detonate bombs! And the Police are LYING.
from Big Fish
On the past thing, i thought i saw a still of at least one off the blokes in king cross.
You're doing bloody well to get from luton station ,once you're on the train, in 25 mins, You've got to get your tickets, can take a while at luton, get throu the stupid machines, your also assuming they got an intercity or at least one of the trains that does very few stops. The luton trains dont have video camaras on them, or there be a lot of people busted at night for all sorts of naughty behavour .when have the tubes had cctv on them? in fact what r u talking about? Have the CIA been putting LSD in your tea?
james walsh, you didn't see a still (or video, as you earlier claimed) of any of the suspected 7/7 bombers within London. Your quibble over the time it takes to get from Luton to King's Cross is of no consequence that I can determine. And if you had been paying any attention you would know of CCTV on tubes, thanks to the images released of the 21/07 suspects. Please go away until you have something useful to contribute.
The alleged person that DrJazz quotes:
DrJazz, you're an embarassment to conspiranoids yet.
- In 2001 publicised his address as 2622 E. 6th St./Tucson, Arizona 85716;
- Clearly has no concept of the difference between a London Underground train, a Thameslink commuter train, and a Midland Mainline train, respectively;
- is simply wrong about video in Underground trains, based on an exhaustive survey conducted by someone I trust totally;
- Is utterly fucking barking:
Dick Fojut said:
DrJazz, you're an embarassment to conspiranoids yet.
james_walsh said:
Were there any lizards in the picture?
I'm not assuming anything. Have you ever heard of a... railway timetable?
Four Asian men carrying rucksacks pictured entering Luton station at 7:21:50 am
AM weekday rail service Luton to London Kings cross:
Depart Luton 7:24 arrive Xcross 7:59 = 35 minutes
Depart Luton 7:30 arrive Xcross 8:03 = 33 minutes
Depart Luton 7:40 arrive Xcross 8:15 = 35 minutes
Depart Luton 7:48 arrive Xcross 8:19 = 31 minutes
Depart Luton 7:56 arrive Xcross 8:31 = 35 minutes
Police claim they have CCTV footage of the men arriving at Kings Cross at "about 0830 BST". This arrival time tends to suggest they caught the 7:56 Thameslink - arriving Xcross 8:31. It also suggests they waited or were delayed for about 34 minutes before finally boarding a Xcross bound train - so there should be plenty of eyewitnesses who saw them together at Luton station.
Some Thameslink trains do have CCTV fitted in saloon carriages. But even if the train they caught didn't have cameras installed, the station platforms at both Luton and Xcross are well covered. So there should be footage of the men getting on the train at Luton and getting of at Xcross.
Why don't you try doing some research and find out?
Central Line gets new CCTV from Metronet Rail
So, once again, there should at least be CCTV images of 3 of the men boarding the targeted underground trains, even if CCTV wasn't fitted in the carriages themselves.
You're the one who's hallucinating pal, not me.
laptop said:
Coming from this tedious, self-agrandizing fart, I'd take what he says as a compliment, if I were you Doc.
I mean this is the joker who brought us the famous 'Mr Blobby Goes to Dulles To Hijack An Airplane' video, as "proof" that "al Qaeda's" hijacked flight 77, even though one of the guys said to be shown in the video and therefore dead, just happens to be still alive and living in Saudi Arabia giving interviews to the press! Isn't that incredible!? How did such an enormous howler manage to weave its way through such a formidable array of highly tuned filters, I wonder?
Really he's just a pathetic little drip who seems to have nothing better to do than join in the conspiraloon insult fest every chance he gets and crawl around these forums bigging himself up as the father of the mother of all 'experts'.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Christ, still on the same broken record of "where's the CCTV?!" You have no evidence of anything approaching a conspiracy. You've got nothing and are using bullshit to try and blag your way past that irritating point.
1) CCTV may exist, but there is no need for us to see it, we're not investigating.
2) Only Conspiracy nuts seem to be objecting to the lack of CCTV, and these people will never be happy so why bother releasing it at all?
I move that bigfish be labeled an idiot and have duct tape placed over his mouth for a period of no less than two hours. Then remove the duct tape.
1) CCTV may exist, but there is no need for us to see it, we're not investigating.
2) Only Conspiracy nuts seem to be objecting to the lack of CCTV, and these people will never be happy so why bother releasing it at all?
I move that bigfish be labeled an idiot and have duct tape placed over his mouth for a period of no less than two hours. Then remove the duct tape.
For fuck's sake, without a water tight case these men are not going to be taken to court.
This thread is ridiculous. Why can only bigfish and DrJ see 'the truth'? Why is everyone else a gullible moron for being taken in by the state's version of events? In an injust world, are these bonkers theories really the best way forward? There is nothing 'marxist' about them bigfish, and you just make left wing politics look absurd.
This thread is ridiculous. Why can only bigfish and DrJ see 'the truth'? Why is everyone else a gullible moron for being taken in by the state's version of events? In an injust world, are these bonkers theories really the best way forward? There is nothing 'marxist' about them bigfish, and you just make left wing politics look absurd.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
DrJazzz said:
More bullshit, thinly veiled anti-Semitic attacks and general lies from yourself, and still referencing your "facts" from Jeff Rense, I see?
He'll soon be rotting like Joe Vialls with any luck.
You'll never learn and you'll never be taken seriously, you know that don't you?
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
You couldn't let it die could you pk 
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
bigfish said:
More like 'care in the community' forum judging from these threads.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
This morning's Independent has some interesting stuff on this question.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Interesting article form Matthew Parris in the Times about the 'Al Qaeda threat' worth a read.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1065-1704834,00.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1065-1704834,00.html
I haven't found actual photos from King's Cross yet...
However they are mentioned here:
However they are mentioned here:
http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/17/nbomb317.xml
Maybe that CCTV exists, I haven't said it doesn't. However we should not only have that, we should have clear CCTV of each bomber individually on their fateful journey. So far we have 1) a CCTV shot at Luton in which one alleged bomber's face is visible and 2) a story about a CCTV shot at King's Cross in which a 'sharp-eyed' policeman manages to detect something 'in the movements' of ..... four asian guys with heavy luggage who would otherwise have been totally inconspicuous in the hunt for, errr, four asian guys with luggage...
Barking_Mad said:
Good points in this articale. Im staggered by how inept the bombers and the ssercurity service, both appear to be.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Very good points in Matthew Parris's article. Newpaper editors take note!
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
DrJazzz said:
Why should we have a clear CCTV of each bomber ? Why should you assume that a policement knew he was looking for West Asians ?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1065-1704834,00.htmlMatthew Parris said:
invisibleplanet said:
As I've posted before, we are so littered with CCTV that the average citizen is caught 300 times a day on it. 300!
So it's quite something that all we have to go on is one still in which you can't even make out the faces of three of the bombers.
Indeed, you have to be supercool when reading these media reports. This one seems to be creating the illusion of a good read at King's Cross when it could just be a load of bunk. To answer your point though, don't you think the police might have been suspicious of Asian types with luggage when Tony Blair was willing to blame Al-Qaeda straight away? Trying to suggest that a policeman had noticed something suspicious 'in the movements' appears to be a ridiculous spin - which should make one even warier of the whole thing.
editor said:
I'm aware that meaningless song lyrics are banned in this forum, due largely to the relentless effort of Cannuck and pbman, but the poem I posted was about the recent London bombings (the first ones, not the second tabloid circus), which is what we are discussing here, and who "The Man With The Rucksack" really was - namely "our" very own war mongering Primeliar, Tony Blair. The poem, therefore, contained, originally, something of a profound truth, just as all great, good and meaningful art must, which I thought those contributing to the discussion might find illuminating, given the context.
I have now reposted the poem to the writing forum here where it can be read and appreciated in full:
http://urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3383302&postcount=8
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