who is responsible for the London attacks?
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Bob_the_lost
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What a crock of shit. I mean it's fantasy from start to finish with zero supporting facts. But the plot is weaker than "Navy seals 4" and less realistic than "the hollow chocolate bunnies of the appocalypse"bigfish said:
Much has been made of these French 'anti-terrorist experts' quoted in the press shortly after the explosions with regard to the military origins of the explosives used, but if you actually look at what Christophe Chaboud said, he seems to be just speculating:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianweekly/story/0,,1528636,00.html
The key phrase is 'appear to be military' indicating that he was merely making an educated guess. There was no forensic evidence cited to support these claims and as far as I understand it, definitive conclusions as to the type of explosive used have yet to be made. In short, the fact that these comments were later 'dropped' by the media is not, ipso facto, proof of a cover up/conspiracy. Indeed it proves bugger all apart from the fact that the press clearly wanted 'experts' to say something about what had transpired, even if these speculations subsequently proved to be unfounded.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianweekly/story/0,,1528636,00.html
The key phrase is 'appear to be military' indicating that he was merely making an educated guess. There was no forensic evidence cited to support these claims and as far as I understand it, definitive conclusions as to the type of explosive used have yet to be made. In short, the fact that these comments were later 'dropped' by the media is not, ipso facto, proof of a cover up/conspiracy. Indeed it proves bugger all apart from the fact that the press clearly wanted 'experts' to say something about what had transpired, even if these speculations subsequently proved to be unfounded.
Jo/Joe said:
Unlike you Jo, I'm not prepared simply to take the word of the authorities that the "suspects" were on the 3 trains or the bus that July morning. Mr Lait, who was sitting close to where the Aldgate blast happened, says he has no recollection of seeing anyone standing where the blast occurred or any rucksack - in a carriage occupied by only "20-25" people (so plenty of visibility then).
We have already seen one CCTV image of the "suspects" arriving at Luton station carrying rucksacks, so why haven't we seen pictures of them arriving at Xcross carrying rucksacks or getting on to any of the targeted trains carrying rucksacks?
My guess is, there aren't any and so in place of evidence we are being force fed a false and misleading narrative.
bigfish said:
I've seen video footage of some off the bombers in london. and no , I can't be arsed to find a link. I guess all the media are involed in this conspiracy? u people talk rubbish.
Again, why do you expect the police to release so many pictures? Very grown up of you bigfish to be sceptical of the official line, but isn't scepticism really is? It's a constant refusal to believe anything from the authorities. But do you ever supply any evidence to support a contrary theory? No. Is there a more plausible theory? No.
It isn't enough for you that highly agitated young muslims got roped into something by other parties whose ideology is at least loosely close to Bin Laden's. You just have to have the state lurking in the background somehow.
It isn't enough for you that highly agitated young muslims got roped into something by other parties whose ideology is at least loosely close to Bin Laden's. You just have to have the state lurking in the background somehow.
DrJazzz said:
But he seemed so certain.
Perhaps you're right though Doc. Maybe JW 'really' has managed to convince himself that he's "seen video footage of some off the bombers in london". In which case, it shows once again the pernicious utility of mainstream propaganda in hypnotizing the more gullible and naive in society.
Jo/Joe said:
Correct. Stuff will not be released unless there is a reason to do so until after any prosecutions (of associates perhaps), inquests, etc. are concluded.
It is not released merely to satisfy the need for the media to sell papers / get viewers. In this case it may well be that stuff will be released relatively quickly because the principle 7 July suspects would appear to be dead.
If you wanna hear all the evidence bigfish then make sure you are on the voter's register. Maybe you'll win the lottery and end up on one of the juries ...
Meantime, a quote from DAC Peter Clark:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...13.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/13/ixnewstop.html
hmmm. But why then the pic from Luton in which you can only see one bomber's face? wouldn't the King's Cross one have been better?
And there is no mention made of what should be a wealth of images of the bombers once split up, including inside the carriages.
What if there is no court case, and no further images are forthcoming? You see if you disregard the Richard Jones account which is chock-full of contradictions, we have not a single eyewitness report of the bombers on their journey. Which is very strange.
And there is no mention made of what should be a wealth of images of the bombers once split up, including inside the carriages.
What if there is no court case, and no further images are forthcoming? You see if you disregard the Richard Jones account which is chock-full of contradictions, we have not a single eyewitness report of the bombers on their journey. Which is very strange.
Depends why they were releasing it - if I recall it was when they were still trying to find witnesses to the Luton end of things (where there may be leads to trace back to others) whereas once they were on the tube they sort of knew what happened next. Each time a picture is released the senior investigating officer will have made a decision about why and that will be recorded in the decision logs which will form part of the case file.DrJazzz said:
In due course some more pictures may be released but probably not many as they are not just released to satisfy public curiosity. If there were a significant public expression of concern that whatever proceedings were being undertaken were wrong / false then that may be a reason. Otherwise it will have to be either a Freedom of Information Act request (once all proceedings / potential proceedings, direct or indirect have finished) and you may not get the actual images then, just a list of how many, where, etc. The Data Protection Act (which everyone believes the police ignore but which they have to compl with) has restrictions on the reasons for the release of "personal data", which includes images (even of dead suspects) and it would trump the Freedom of Information Act which deals more with statistical / policy / depersonalised stuff.
As for the wealth of image in the trains, I don't think most tubes actually have CCTV fitted within them though I may be wrong. Most stations do tough, on exits and entrances and passageways and platforms so I suspect there will be reams and reams of stuff in the system.
detective-boy said:
But I think you have to be the person concerned to make a DPA request. Arguing FoI grounds for release of images as a third party would, I think, be interesting.
And in the case of the 7/7 events: there's been mention of a possible fifth person in pictures at King's Cross. So the police would really want not to release any such picture, for fear of buggering up any trial if the person is found and the case depends at all on on visual identification.
detective-boy said:
The Picdally and Metropolitan lines have cameras (or at least camera mountings). I don't remember which others do...
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if you are going to discuss this, please could you post up things original instead of stuff the entire world knows.bigfish said:
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