Johnny Canuck3
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exosculate said:Far more covert expression though - how sinister.
I disagree; I think you have both.
exosculate said:Far more covert expression though - how sinister.
FridgeMagnet said:"Londonistan"... fucking hell. I saw that earlier and made an ever so slightly sarcastic blog post about it. Tonight, since I am annoyed after a two hour bus commute anyway, my mission is to get drunk and post rude comments on any site promoting this drivel.
Johnny Canuck2 said:I disagree; I think you have both.
FridgeMagnet said:"Londonistan"... fucking hell. I saw that earlier and made an ever so slightly sarcastic blog post about it. Tonight, since I am annoyed after a two hour bus commute anyway, my mission is to get drunk and post rude comments on any site promoting this drivel.
Mother Of Satan is my hunch, it's a highly volatile DIY HE. Don't try this at home children.laptop said:"Explosive expert" just on News24 saying the police operaition in Leeds looked to him like dealing with a possible explosive manufacture operation...
Yup.Johnny Canuck2 said:While brits have always delighted in calling americans down for their racism, it's seemed to me that there is a virulent racism alive and well in UK that wouldn't find such overt expression in the US or Canada for that matter.
That's very plausible entirely consistent with the nouvelle vague Jihad and not remotely comforting. Persistent terrorist journeymen like PIRA have a MO and a network and can be caught. You can't trace suicidal self-starters; no security service can protect against that.Bernie Gunther said:...It would actually be quite comforting to find they were all chemical engineering students and that the house in Leeds was a home-brew bomb factory.
Bernie Gunther said:Point is JC, we've had an long-term effort by certain fringe political parties to stir precisely this sort of shit up. So I think their role in deliberately and maliciously creating what is now apparently a breeding ground for terrorists, is worth mentioning. What we've got now has been their dream.
Bernie Gunther said:I repeat JC, I think things can have more than one cause.
Bernie Gunther said:Because I was using Daniel Pipes as an example of a right-wing lunatic promoting race wars as a solution to the UK's terrorism problem a couple of pages back and before doing that I'd read a whole bunch of his shit.
Bernie Gunther said:JC, right now it looks like this was an entirely domestic matter.
No, and the possibility that they had professional help is something worth taking serious until we know different. Either way, the question of why a bunch of asian kids from Leeds either self-started or became ripe for recruitment by professional jihadis is extremely important for our society. Right now I'd bet on domestic, but I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility they had a coach.Johnny Canuck2 said:<snip> Have you already closed your mind to any other possibility?
Bernie Gunther said:No, and the possibility that they had professional help is something worth taking serious until we know different. Either way, the question of why a bunch of asian kids from Leeds either self-started or became ripe for recruitment by professional jihadis is extremely important for our society. Right now I'd bet on domestic, but I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility they had a coach.
Bernie Gunther said:JC, right now it looks like this was an entirely domestic matter.
The question of what made them ripe for recruitment certainly is a legitimate concern. To a large extent, it looks like the same profile applies as would for any other cult or urban terrorist group, right, left, xtian or muslim. Young, pissed-off, middle-class and educated.Johnny Canuck2 said:Why did british muslims end up fighting for the taliban in Afghanistan: was that a domestic issue as well?
Bernie Gunther said:The question of what made them ripe for recruitment certainly is a legitimate concern. To a large extent, it looks like the same profile applies as would for any other cult or urban terrorist group, right, left, xtian or muslim. Young, pissed-off, middle-class and educated.
In this case though, we have neo-nazis actively trying to promote race war in the area where these guys and not a few of the others who went through AQ camps and so on, came from.
Now they have one. A mosque got firebombed a very short distance from where I live. I am really not very happy that this sort of thing is happening.
And meanwhile, people trying to justify a cretionously bipolar view of the world are trying to exploit this for their own unpleasant purposes.
Londanistan my arse.
JC, you look like someone desperately trying to prove some kind of racial point.Johnny Canuck2 said:<snip> do you agree that the investgation should be focussed in the muslim community?
Bernie Gunther said:JC, you look like someone desperately trying to prove some kind of racial point.
Well, as I keep reiterating, I think things can have more than one cause.Johnny Canuck2 said:<snip> Fact is that these people didn't abandon the causes and disputes of their country of origin when they moved here and became canadian citizens.
Bernie Gunther said:Well, as I keep reiterating, I think things can have more than one cause.