Which jab did you have - Astra Zeneca or Pfizer? And what side effects?

[gentlegreen]

Interesting advice. It’s what you might say if attempting to counter a nocebo effect with a placebo effect.

Taking it right after the jab is a bit too early to deal with the common muscle and joint aches and pains.

which you might not even get.
Quite a range of effects from the AZ it seems ...

 

[Wilf]

which you might not even get.
Quite a range of effects from the AZ it seems ...

I know you had a strong reaction and a few others have on here. But otherwise the urban sample seems to have been pretty uniform in terms of side effects - mildly sore arm, aches and a bit flu like, all lasting 24-36 hours.

 

[mr steev]

I had AZ on Sunday morning. Felt tired in the afternoon, a bit woozy and had a stiff neck. Annoyingly I had to work on Monday (not what I had planned!) and was shattered afterwards. Shivery and dozed all evening, then slept solidly for 9 hours and woke up very sweaty. Much better today, although fell asleep for a couple of hours after work and am a bit shivery again.
Arm aches, but not badly

A weird thing is my appetite... 3 or 4 times I've suddenly felt absolutely starving, a bit dizzy and nauseous. Passes as soon as I eat

 

[8ball]

A weird thing is my appetite... 3 or 4 times I've suddenly felt absolutely starving, a bit dizzy and nauseous. Passes as soon as I eat

Thinking back, I had that the day after my jab too.

 

[8ball]

I know you had a strong reaction and a few others have on here. But otherwise the urban sample seems to have been pretty uniform in terms of side effects - mildly sore arm, aches and a bit flu like, all lasting 24-36 hours.

I know it’s trite, but I’m wagering I would have had a stronger reaction to Covid.

 

[scifisam]

I know it’s trite, but I’m wagering I would have had a stronger reaction to Covid.

Not a great wager - I had almost zero reaction to covid, and a terrible reaction to the jab.

 

[harpo]

I had my second Pfizer yesterday. Felt ok for 18 hours then a bit glandular and urgh until a large gin took my mind off things. Let's see what tomorrow morning brings.

 

[8ball]

Not a great wager - I had almost zero reaction to covid, and a terrible reaction to the jab.

I’m still willing to go on the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence and take that one.

 

[scifisam]

I’m still willing to go on the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence and take that one.

Uh, did you think I was arguing against the vaccine? It's just not a good bet to take - there isn't enough evidence yet.

If you're otherwise healthy and merely just over 50 (assuming that's why you got jabbed this week) then the odds are that you wouldn't have had a bad experience with covid. But you never know - it could have been terrible, and/or could have led to long covid. Same goes for the vaccine - if you don't usually have a bad reaction to vaccines, you don't know if it could have had bad side effects for you.

No bookie would take that bet because the individual results are too unreliable.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't all get the vaccine. Does mean that planning a non-challenging day the day after is probably wise.

 

[kropotkin]

Well we're now two weeks later and the rash is still there. She's had two trips to the Docs, one to a skin specialist and this week had a skin biopsy. She's got to wait two weeks for the results.

She's been given creams and steroids and she says the itching is receding. She does look much better.

Here's the rash when is started. It's all over her body apart from her head. It's scaly and itchy and obviously it bleeds where she's been scratching it.

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Nasty. Looks like neutrophilic dermatosis- can you post the diagnosis when the biopsy result is back?

How she's feeling better after the creams

 

[William of Walworth]

I know you had a strong reaction and a few others have on here. But otherwise the urban sample seems to have been pretty uniform in terms of side effects - mildly sore arm, aches and a bit flu like, all lasting 24-36 hours.

And some Urbans, me included, didn't even have post-vaccine reactions that strong

Also, what's struck me from these posts is how quickly the side effects cleared up for most -- I get that there were a few exceptions there.

(ETA : As Wilf indicated, it was the Oxford/AZ vaccine being posted about here .... )

 

[AverageJoe]

Nasty. Looks like neutrophilic dermatosis- can you post the diagnosis when the biopsy result is back?

How she's feeling better after the creams

Will do

 

[LDC]

Second Pfizer dose yesterday, 18 hours since, no issues bar a slightly sore arm.

 

[8ball]

No bookie would take that bet because the individual results are too unreliable.

I don’t think you understand how bookies work, but regardless, if you look back in the thread you’ll see I mentioned that I was very glad I had the vaccine on a Saturday and hence could loll about binge-watching box sets on the Sunday.

 

[scifisam]

I don’t think you understand how bookies work, but regardless, if you look back in the thread you’ll see I mentioned that I was very glad I had the vaccine on a Saturday and hence could loll about binge-watching box sets on the Sunday.

I don't think bookies would take a bet on a particular person's result to a vaccination. I don't even think bookies would take bets on health topics at all.

 

[harpo]

Woken up feeling rather grim and broken. It's not unbearable though and far less grim than covid itself. I feel very lucky to have had both doses now.

 

[8ball]

I don't think bookies would take a bet on a particular person's result to a vaccination. I don't even think bookies would take bets on health topics at all.

That is different to the “individual odds” thing (individual horse races are massively variable for example and the biggest reason bookies almost never come unstuck isn’t by correctly assessing odds all the time but by keeping a “book” (hence the name) of bets and counter-bets).

More pertinently, I was talking about my particular case (late 40s, male, complex heart condition, very overweight, no history of prior vaccine reactions or autoimmune/inflammatory disorders).

I agree that things change when we get to vaccinating youngsters in order to protect their grandparents etc.

I didn’t think you were arguing against the vaccine.

 

[scifisam]

That is different to the “individual odds” thing (individual horse races are massively variable for example and the biggest reason bookies almost never come unstuck isn’t by correctly assessing odds all the time but by keeping a “book” (hence the name) of bets and counter-bets).

More pertinently, I was talking about my particular case (late 40s, male, complex heart condition, very overweight, no history of prior vaccine reactions or autoimmune/inflammatory disorders).

I agree that things change when we get to vaccinating youngsters in order to protect their grandparents etc.

I didn’t think you were arguing against the vaccine.

I get that, but I assume you'd agree that bookies wouldn't take said bet?

In my particular case I was mid 40s, heart defect, bad asthma, rheumatoid arthritis treated by immunosuppressant drugs, Sjogren's sndrome (don't know why this counts but it turns up on some of the risk factors), no prior history of vaccine reactions - including annual flu vaccines.

My response to Covid should have been worse than to the vaccine. It wasn't.

The statistics are not reliable at all.

 

[8ball]

I get that, but I assume you'd agree that bookies wouldn't take said bet?

In my particular case I was mid 40s, heart defect, bad asthma, rheumatoid arthritis treated by immunosuppressant drugs, Sjogren's sndrome (don't know why this counts but it turns up on some of the risk factors), no prior history of vaccine reactions - including annual flu vaccines.

My response to Covid should have been worse than to the vaccine. It wasn't.

The statistics are not reliable at all.

That’s not how ‘statistical reliability’ works, though. If you tell someone there is a 90% chance of someone surviving an operation and they die, that does not mean the statistics are unreliable.

Agree with you on the bookie front (which you brought up) - I had the idea of a personal bet in mind and I thought it was clear I was speaking figuratively in any case.

Sorry you had a shit time with the vaccine.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Have voted some side effects, but they were pretty mild (AZ). Had a slightly sweaty first night, slept badly and woke up feeling like I had a hangover. Then was mostly ok if a little delicate. Two days later, I feel fine aside from the sore arm, which I think is going to take a few days to go away.

 

[gentlegreen]

I'm hoping covid and the vaccination reactions will inform research into post-viral issues etc...
And hopefully pension-off knee-jerk accusations of "man-flu"...

I still have this nagging doubt about AZ choosing not to stabilise the spike (would they have had to pay a patent fee ?) and thereby give the immune system more of a workout - is this is part of the reason it's so cheap ?
TWIV have repeatedly commented on it - though not in terms of vaccine reactions...

 

[Orang Utan]

Has anyone experienced an intensification of allergies since getting the jab? (Pfizer)

 

[Numbers]

Has anyone experienced an intensification of allergies since getting the jab? (Pfizer)

An interesting thing for me was raised Ferritin levels (by 1000 points) identified in a blood test 4 days after I had the jab. I have blood tests weekly and it jumped from 1800 to 2800 that week.

 

[Orang Utan]

My hay fever is back in force and having only developed it in the past few years, very mildly and only in late summer, so it was presumably just a grass allergy. So now it seems to have widened to other pollens.

 

[gentlegreen]

My AZ experience may have done something for my low-level chronic sinusitis - my nose has been running when I go for a walk or a cycle and I don't think it's allergies ..

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Second dose of Pfizer yesterday. absolutely nothing other than a slightly sore arm.

 

[tony.c]

Has anyone experienced an intensification of allergies since getting the jab? (Pfizer)

No. I have grass pollen allergy. Hasn't kicked in yet.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

My hay fever is back in force and having only developed it in the past few years, very mildly and only in late summer, so it was presumably just a grass allergy. So now it seems to have widened to other pollens.

It's probably totally unconnected to the vaccination - if your hayfever only developed in the last few years it could be still settling down on what will trigger it. I've had hayfever all my life but thankfully it'snot as bad these days compared to when I was younger. I didn't notice any uptick in anything following the pfizer jab.

 

[Aladdin]

Still no news for me..
I'm the most vulnerable in yhe house and last to be vaccinated.

 

[Boudicca]

My hay fever is back in force and having only developed it in the past few years, very mildly and only in late summer, so it was presumably just a grass allergy. So now it seems to have widened to other pollens.

There was some talk last summer that the decrease in pollution (less cars on the road) had caused an increase in hayfever.