gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
It's going to be a matter of scale though isn't it ?
Surely it will take a bit of viral reproduction before the immune system catches on ?
Which jab did you have - Astra Zeneca or Pfizer? And what side effects?
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Surely it will take a bit of viral reproduction before the immune system catches on ?
Riklet
procrastinación
I have no idea what youre talking about. The virus doesnt reproduce in any form with the current vaccines. The efficacy stats show that even with one jab the majority are much more protected than with nothing.
Frankly there is a lot of bad science in this thread. This stuff is complicated.
Really I hope I get 2 jabs anyway(!), unlike theyre suggesting in some countries with peeps who've had covid....
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
no need to be patronising. This isn't "Nature".
Riklet
procrastinación
Ok sorry!
But everything that happens is by definition nature/natural. I dont really see your point. But I don't want to derrail this thread any more.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Fuck off - you know what I meant.
I wonder why I bother thinking people here would openly share their knowledge.
I'm striving to not do an entire virology course to get a handle on this stuff.
2hats
Dust.
Incorrect. There will be degrees of each but not an outright stop in either. Current clinical trial data points to a significant reduction in severe disease and some reduction in infection. No current clinical trial data clearly points to reduction in transmission, just hints at it. The trends observed in the field in Israel point to a significant reduction in severe disease and hint at some degrees of reduction in infection and perhaps transmission. Notably, their case rate drop has stubbornly stalled in the last few weeks.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
With no changes in containment measures or general public behaviour?
2hats
Dust.
That would be hard to quantify (public behaviour does not, of course, necessarily conform to government edict and quite likely varies greatly across age cohorts).
Riklet
procrastinación
Ok then, I dont have much knowledge only what ive picked up online and from my GP, but enough to know that:
- people may possibly experience what they expect to happen (placebo and psychological element to some illness/reactions)...
Not saying that this explains the high rate of reactions to vaccines on here but it cant be ruled out.
Also, in France my friends sister works in a hospital where pretty much all the staff had reactions to the AZ vaccine and this continued to the extent they were kicking up a fuss about it, demanding it be staggered, Pfizer used instead etc etc.
- a reaction to a vaccine is no sign of efficacy
- the avoid ibuprofen advice is for people who actually have covid
- AZ vaccine (dont know about Pfizer)12 week gap is indeed backed up by extensive evidence, not just the gov risking it. It has been shown to improve efficacy.
- approved vaccines like AZ/pfizer/moderna/j&j etc definitely do stop the majority of people getting seriously ill and dying of covid. - Ive edited this based on 2hat's reply!
- the mutations and new strains complicate the picture and basically... 'no one knows yet'
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I wondered whether the system was set up so that if you got vaccine X on day Y, you wouldn't be able to book a second jab till day Z? I can't see that because I booked both jabs at the same time before I got a GP letter. In fact, you'd hope there was some way of making sure people wait the appropriate amount of time.
Riklet
procrastinación
Ok interesting, didnt know that, thanks for clarifying this.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
At the end of Feb they were averaging over 4100 cases a day, that's dropped to under 3330 yesterday, the rate of decrease continues, although slower, which is only to be expected when restrictions have been slowly relaxed.
Health Ministry said planning more easing of restrictions as pandemic ebbs
Top health official says declining number of serious cases 'shows the vaccines are working'; TV report says more people will soon be allowed to gather in large venues
www.timesofisrael.com
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Oh, so there has been a relaxation in restrictions?
2hats
Dust.
Recorded cases 7 day rolling average 3238 on Feb 20, up a little 3292 by Mar 9. Stalled in the 3-thousands for the last 2+ weeks (with one brief foray into the low 4-thousands).
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
OK, we're looking at slightly different dates, me at the end of Feb & you about a week earlier. But, they started lifting restrictions since 7th Feb., resulting in that slight blip at the end of Feb., but have continued to drop since, so even more restrictions are being lifted.
The Latest: Israel in final phase of easing of lockdown
Israel has opened most of its economy as part of its final phase of lifting coronavirus lockdown restrictions, some of them in place since September
www.independent.co.uk
2hats
Dust.
Here, have some
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As I posted earlier, I'm due to be vaccinated at 8:40 am tomorrow (Thursday 11th) -- and yes, I will be going to bed very soon! 
I'm nearly sure it'll be Oxford/AstraZeneca for me, because a colleague went to the same centre that I'll be at, on the Saturday just gone.
He's very slightly older than me, and he told me that after a delay in kicking in, his reaction -- lasting about a day and a half only -- was pretty shit
, exhaustion and getting the chills wise, but also that he recovered pretty quickly too 
Main point for this post : I intend to ask the vaccine centre staff directly (and politely!) whether it's possible there and then, to arrange a second-jab appointment for early June .....
I expect they'll say wait for the letter, but there's no harm in asking!
I'm nearly sure it'll be Oxford/AstraZeneca for me, because a colleague went to the same centre that I'll be at, on the Saturday just gone.
He's very slightly older than me, and he told me that after a delay in kicking in, his reaction -- lasting about a day and a half only -- was pretty shit
, exhaustion and getting the chills wise, but also that he recovered pretty quickly too Main point for this post : I intend to ask the vaccine centre staff directly (and politely!) whether it's possible there and then, to arrange a second-jab appointment for early June .....
I expect they'll say wait for the letter, but there's no harm in asking!
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izz
Increased Leisure Citizen
Had my AZ vaccine shortly after noon yesterday. No pain to arm, feeling crap but the chills were hilarious, hit like a baseball bat, not necessarily all of the body at the same time, goosepimply legs or arms at some point, then all over. Anyone mention squitters or was that just me 
Hoping I'm over the worst of it now.
Hoping I'm over the worst of it now.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Had my AZ vaccine shortly after noon yesterday. No pain to arm, feeling crap but the chills were hilarious, hit like a baseball bat, not necessarily all of the body at the same time, goosepimply legs or arms at some point, then all over. Anyone mention squitters or was that just me
Hoping I'm over the worst of it now.
Ooh Izz. Click this and vote yes pretty please. Glad you're ok-ish now.
Have you had the vaccine WITH POLL
With apologies to danny la rouge for the extremely similar thread I thought it might be nice to see how quickly Urban does, or doesn't, get the jab. Simple poll, answers to apply to a first dose. Please remember to change your vote if you vote no and then get jabbed. I had mine this morning...
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gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
izz
Increased Leisure Citizen
Doesn't count if its beforehand
No side effects to speak of for me so far, after my 1st jab (Oxford/AZ) at 8:40am on the Thursday just gone -- about 38 hours ago.
Limited upper left-arm pain in the earliest stages, but nothing to fuss about.
I felt unusually knackered (to the point of exhaustion!) as the Thursday evening went on, but now, after a healthy lie-in this Friday morning, I feel a good less desparate to crash!
I'm very much hoping to be able to vote 'No side-effects' tomorrow (Saturday) evening .... I'm delaying my vote until then, to avoid any risk of voting prematurely .....
Limited upper left-arm pain in the earliest stages, but nothing to fuss about.
I felt unusually knackered (to the point of exhaustion!) as the Thursday evening went on, but now, after a healthy lie-in this Friday morning, I feel a good less desparate to crash!
I'm very much hoping to be able to vote 'No side-effects' tomorrow (Saturday) evening .... I'm delaying my vote until then, to avoid any risk of voting prematurely .....
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
No such thing.
CosmikRoger
Well-Known Member
I had the az vaccin yesterday at my doctors. The waiting room was filled with old dears talking about how they had just seen on the news that other countries had banned the az jab.
Doc said that I was to hang around for 15 mins before driving home in case of a reaction.
Yesterday everything was fine, maybe a little sore around the arm, but last night in bed and this morning I feel like I've gone 12 rounds with a charging rhinocéros.
Doc said that I was to hang around for 15 mins before driving home in case of a reaction.
Yesterday everything was fine, maybe a little sore around the arm, but last night in bed and this morning I feel like I've gone 12 rounds with a charging rhinocéros.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The no driving for 15 mins post AZ jab isn't the same as 15 mins monitoring for possible allergic reaction to the vaccine like it is with the Pfizer (a few cases caused by the PEG in the vaccine ingredients), it's just a don't drive for 15 mins post jab in case someone feels a bit dizzy from the needle/jab.
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