where is it unreasonable to fly to?

[spanglechick]

Nice. What's the water temperature?

no idea. but people we were with were swimming.

 

[editor]

Hey it costs money to be environmentally friendly....

That's a bit of a cop out. You can almost always get cheaper bus/rail alternatives to UK/northern Europe destinations.

All it will cost you is time, and that's not always the case when it's rail vs plane.

 

[northernhord]

Internal UK flights, mainland Europe.

 

[rekil]

Fly Me To The Moon sez Frank.

Absolutely not y'bastard trill the environazies.

 

[editor]

If its a propeler engine is it any different to a car or train except for the fact it distance traveled is shorter as you can travel as the crow flies.

Have you a source for this claim please? And what percentage of UK internal flights are flown in propeller-driven planes?

And for reference:

CO2 emissions per passenger...
Journey:     Out & back by plane...     Out & back by train...
London to Paris by Eurostar     3.5 hours, 244 Kg/CO2     2.75 hours, 22 Kg/CO2
London to Edinburgh     3.5 hours, 193 Kg/CO2     4.5 hours, 24 Kg/CO2
London to Nice     4 hours, 250 Kg/CO2     8 hours by Eurostar+TGV, 36 Kg/CO2
London to Barcelona     4.5 hours, 277 Kg/CO2     Eurostar then overnight sleeper, 40 Kg/CO2
London to Tangier     5 hours, 435 Kg/CO2     48 hours by Eurostar, sleeper trains & ferry, 63 Kg/CO2

http://www.seat61.com/CO2flights.htm

 

[chico enrico]

Just saying that a long haul flight is okay because there's no other way of getting there ignores the important question of why you're going their in the first place. Is it really necessary?

If I go on holiday...it's for F.U.N. Any problem with that?

or perhaps i should put on my hair-shirt, commence my bread+water diet and start taking the cheese-grater to my bell-end now?

 

[jæd]

Oh, and I hated business travel too. It's shit getting stuck in hotels and planes, it's not a perk at all. It's boring as hell most of the time.

Business travel is usually going to obscure places in which no-one in their right mind would stay at. And having to entertain yourself when there's no places to go to. And the weather is -25 outside.

Or its going to really nice places, but then being stuck indoors 15 hours a day, and spending the rest tired because you can't sleep at night.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

no idea. but people we were with were swimming.

Where is it then?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Not really. I don't enjoy flying for the sake of it. Its usually 8 hours + of being in a box in the sky with dull food. And then there's the fun of jet lag.



Nope... I've got better things to do than admin work, and then having to chase up expenses...

That's what secretaries are for?

 

[Kanda]

Business travel is usually going to obscure places in which no-one in their right mind would stay at. And having to entertain yourself when there's no places to go to. And the weather is -25 outside.

Or its going to really nice places, but then being stuck indoors 15 hours a day, and spending the rest tired because you can't sleep at night.

It was also the downfall of a relationship or two for me. Short notice trips of anything up to a month. Then there are curfews, coups, bombs etc when you get to the destination

Yeah, business travel is fun for all the family

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Then there are curfews, coups, bombs etc when you get to the destination

Yeah, business travel is fun for all the family

Well if you will go to these countries

bet your wife was glad to get rid of you occasionally though

 

[spanglechick]

Where is it then?

Colonsay, inner Hebrides.

 

[Kanda]

Well if you will go to these countries

bet your wife was glad to get rid of you occasionally though

I wasn't married.

Didn't have a choice really, I could have left the job but I wouldn't have got another easily, I had worked up through the ranks

 

[Gromit]

Sorry i missed the question mark off the end, it wasn't a claim but a question.

Have you a source for this claim please? And what percentage of UK internal flights are flown in propeller-driven planes?

And for reference:

CO2 emissions per passenger...
Journey:     Out & back by plane...     Out & back by train...
London to Paris by Eurostar     3.5 hours, 244 Kg/CO2     2.75 hours, 22 Kg/CO2
London to Edinburgh     3.5 hours, 193 Kg/CO2     4.5 hours, 24 Kg/CO2
London to Nice     4 hours, 250 Kg/CO2     8 hours by Eurostar+TGV, 36 Kg/CO2
London to Barcelona     4.5 hours, 277 Kg/CO2     Eurostar then overnight sleeper, 40 Kg/CO2
London to Tangier     5 hours, 435 Kg/CO2     48 hours by Eurostar, sleeper trains & ferry, 63 Kg/CO2

http://www.seat61.com/CO2flights.htm

 

[Hollis]

If I go on holiday...it's for F.U.N. Any problem with that?

or perhaps i should put on my hair-shirt, commence my bread+water diet and start taking the cheese-grater to my bell-end now?

I'd prefer it is you did the latter.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Colonsay, inner Hebrides.

ah right, probably cold the majority of the year then and no doubt you'd need a car to get around

 

[spanglechick]

ah right, probably cold the majority of the year then and no doubt you'd need a car to get around

well yes, but you go in the summer... and loads of people cycle / walk around the island. Tis tiny. Very safe - near zero crime. Shallow beaches, extraordinarily clean water. Perfect for kids. Depending on the beach there is surfing / Wakeboarding. Friendly, but you won't be sharing the beach with many if any.

Point is, the uk is spoiled for beaches - many of them picturesque and quiet. There really isn't any need to fly, just to have a seaside holiday.

 

[Belushi]

Very safe - near zero crime.

Pull the other one - we've all seen The Wicker Man.

 

[Kanda]

Point is, the uk is spoiled for beaches - many of them picturesque and quiet. There really isn't any need to fly, just to have a seaside holiday.

and hurry hurry, this fantastic summer is almost over

 

[spanglechick]

Pull the other one - we've all seen The Wicker Man.

heh - I was keeping an eye out for Christoper Lee...

 

[CyberRose]

That's a bit of a cop out. You can almost always get cheaper bus/rail alternatives to UK/northern Europe destinations.

All it will cost you is time, and that's not always the case when it's rail vs plane.

To France, Holland and Belgium fair enough. I don't fly from my nearest airport as a rule of thumb, I see which airports fly to where I wanna go then add the cost of the flight to the cost of a rail ticket to the airport to see where works out cheapest to go to, so I'd still be buying a train ticket so could go to London.

But like you said, it costs my time. The longest I go away for would be 9 days (weekend to weekend) and I would try to go to two places in that time. Usually it'll be for a long weekend (so around 4 days). Taking two days out of that to be spent on travelling is just not acceptable for me - sorry. I can't afford two weeks away (which would mean I could spare the extra travel time) so slashing the time spent on holiday by 50% to help the environment is just not gonna happen for me

 

[Belushi]

A big reasons why people holiday abroad rather than the UK (apart from the weather) is that its often much cheaper to get a package holiday to Spain say than a week at the British seaside.

 

[editor]

To France, Holland and Belgium fair enough. I don't fly from my nearest airport as a rule of thumb, I see which airports fly to where I wanna go then add the cost of the flight to the cost of a rail ticket to the airport to see where works out cheapest to go to, so I'd still be buying a train ticket so could go to London.

Be sure to check out this site before your next break: http://www.seat61.com/Europe.htm

A cheap sleeper straight from work might end up giving you more time that you think:

A sleeping-car is the equivalent of a hotel: A cosy bedroom, with comfortable beds, washbasin, and room service. For the daytime parts of a journey, the beds fold away to reveal a sofa. Sleepers come in 1-, 2-, 3- and (sometimes) 4-berth varieties, depending on the route, whether you have a 1st or 2nd class ticket, and the price you want to pay. If you are travelling alone and don't want to pay for a 1st class single room, you can book just one berth in a 2- or 3-berth room and share with other passengers of the same sex. In addition to the normal lock, sleeper compartments have a security lock which cannot be opened from outside, even with a staff key, so you'll be both safe and snug.

A sleeper costs about £20-£39 in western Europe or £11-£20 in eastern Europe per person per night for a berth in a 3-berth in addition to the relevant 2nd class ticket or railpass. A berth in a 2-berth costs about £35-£49 per night, plus either a 1st or 2nd class ticket or railpass depending on the route and type of sleeper. A single room costs around £70-£90 per night and you must have a 1st class ticket or railpass. On an increasing number of routes (e.g. Paris to Madrid, Barcelona, Italy, and Brussels to Berlin), good-value inclusive fares are now charged, covering travel, sleeper and breakfast.
http://www.seat61.com/Sleepers.htm

 

[spanglechick]

A big reasons why people holiday abroad rather than the UK (apart from the weather) is that its often much cheaper to get a package holiday to Spain say than a week at the British seaside.

depends where you go.

 

[Belushi]

depends where you go.

Find the cheapest week long seaside holiday you can in the UK and I'll see if I can find a cheaper holiday in Spain (Im pretty confident I could).

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

well yes, but you go in the summer... and loads of people cycle / walk around the island. Tis tiny. Very safe - near zero crime. Shallow beaches, extraordinarily clean water. Perfect for kids. Depending on the beach there is surfing / Wakeboarding. Friendly, but you won't be sharing the beach with many if any.

Point is, the uk is spoiled for beaches - many of them picturesque and quiet. There really isn't any need to fly, just to have a seaside holiday.

Yes, but I don't take my hols 'til mid September when it's not that warm in the UK. Any good snorkelling in that freezing water?

 

[Biddlybee]

Point is, the uk is spoiled for beaches - many of them picturesque and quiet. There really isn't any need to fly, just to have a seaside holiday.

If you want to dive on the other hand

 

[spanglechick]

Find the cheapest week long seaside holiday you can in the UK and I'll see if I can find a cheaper holiday in Spain (Im pretty confident I could).

i'm sure you could. but if you really wanted to stay green, you could always do something to keep it cheaper in the uk. camping/caravanning perhaps, or going for five days instad of seven.

 

[bluestreak]

well, i find that a week in a tent costs about 10 a night. it's good enough for me. it might be different if i had a lot more money though and foreign holidays were an option, IYSWIM. depends on where in the world though. i like holidaying in the UK, too.

 

[CyberRose]

Be sure to check out this site before your next break: http://www.seat61.com/Europe.htm

A cheap sleeper straight from work might end up giving you more time that you think:

Hmmmm yea, let me think, 24 hrs+ stuck on a train or 24 hrs sat on a bar on the town square...

Like I said, I can't afford long holidays so only go on short breaks. If I go away for 4 nights and I'm spending 2 days travelling it's just not worth it