What stupid shit has Trump done today?

[Johnny Canuck3]

YES BUT IF YOU EXAMINE THE HISTORY OF BOILED DINNERS YOU WILL BE FORCED TO AGREE THAT TONIGHT'S TEA MUST UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES REPEAT THE AWFUL HORRORS OF PREVIOUS EVENING MEALS

argle bargle blart blurt

Save it for the 'How Can We Prevent The Culinary Errors Of The Past?' thread.

 

[8den]

It's the fault of her and her party that nothing was done about the basic flaws of the US electoral system (including the rampant gerrymandering) after what happened in Florida in 2000.

And I've seen nothing about the alleged Russian interference that didn't fall apart on closer examination. Did DT have dodgy links with this or that oligarch, or with Vlad himself? Maybe. Does that mean that Vlad stole the election? No, I think that's not even wrong, just silly.

This in the last week we've had proof of a meeting with Russian Govt actors, that the Trump administration and family have been found out to repeatedly lie about. Our only evidence that collusion didn't occur is on the word of repeated liars.

And has been pointed out before, on the thread, that's at the very least proof of conspiracy. *


The idea that we're still debating "if" Russia interfered in this election is utterly absurd.



*Your delusional attempt to defend Putin has at least brought us back on topic, so cheers for that.

 

[NoXion]

If you recall, the title of the thread is "What stupid shit has Trump done today?" If you want to talk about the last election endlessly, why don't you start a thread for it? That would make everyone happy.

The Democrats are showing every indication that they haven't learned their lesson, so this notion that the last election is no longer relevant just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. If the Democrats really want their greater share of the popular vote to consistently translate into victory at the polls, then if nothing else they should be doing their damnedest to abolish the anti-democratic Electoral College. This doesn't require them to turn into the Bolsheviks, or to ape the Republicans. Quite the opposite actually.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The Democrats are showing every indication that they haven't learned their lesson, so this notion that the last election is no longer relevant just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. If the Democrats really want their greater share of the popular vote to consistently translate into victory at the polls, then if nothing else they should be doing their damnedest to abolish the anti-democratic Electoral College. This doesn't require them to turn into the Bolsheviks, or to ape the Republicans. Quite the opposite actually.

It's still not relevant to the thread title. If you want to talk about that, that's fine. Just start a thread and everyone will be happy. It's not complicated.

 

[DotCommunist]

The Democrats are showing every indication that they haven't learned their lesson, so this notion that the last election is no longer relevant just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. If the Democrats really want their greater share of the popular vote to consistently translate into victory at the polls, then if nothing else they should be doing their damnedest to abolish the anti-democratic Electoral College. This doesn't require them to turn into the Bolsheviks, or to ape the Republicans. Quite the opposite actually.

its interesting, theres a reaction to a loss in politics that should be self examination and 'how did we fail to reach them'. Others tend to reach for the view that 'why did the people fail us?'. Reminds me of a breathtaking post 2015 piece from Michael White which was entirely 'you deserve it all whats coming thick scumbags'. And of course, the reaction to brexit was not dissimilar.


Now as to the thread, well the thing is most threads regarding politics are filled with posts discussing the wider context, thats perfectly normal. Unless we want to just pretend trump sprang from nowhere and stamps his will across america like some Nietzschean superman.

 

[8den]

its interesting, theres a reaction to a loss in politics that should be self examination and 'how did we fail to reach them'. Others tend to reach for the view that 'why did the people fail us?'. Reminds me of a breathtaking post 2015 piece from Michael White which was entirely 'you deserve it all whats coming thick scumbags'. And of course, the reaction to brexit was not dissimilar.


Now as to the thread, well the thing is most threads regarding politics are filled with posts discussing the wider context, thats perfectly normal. Unless we want to just pretend trump sprang from nowhere and stamps his will across america like some Nietzschean superman.

Thats fine but most people aren't interesting in castigating Clinton for failures in Wisconnon or denying Russia was doing everything it could to influence the election.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Time to end the disastrous American experiment.

Give it back to the original inhabitants?

 

[Idris2002]

Give it back to the original inhabitants?

I am intrigued by your ideas, and interested in subscribing to your newsletter.

 

[DotCommunist]

#cochisewouldawon

 

[Wilf]

Oh, what to say, proper urban thread this...

1. For me, yes of course, Trump is a consequence of the Democrat's failure - and nothing more embodies that failure of the Democrats than Clinton herself.
2. Yes also, attacking Trump from a position of establishment liberalism just repeats that failure - and some strands of identity politics have become part of that establishment. Keeping up with that line keeps American politics and the Democratic Party away from engaging with the voters they actually need - not just in 2020 but in 2018. Needless to say it also precludes the possibility of any kind of engaged radical and/or class politics.
3. But then the reaction against that has almost got us to the point of saying 'if there's one thing worse than Trump, it's the liberal fuckers who are attacking him'. There's also been a tendency to dismiss the connections of Trump and the Russians on the grounds that that would be conceding ground to the liberals. SAD! [Though of course the USA would never seek to influence an overseas election...]
4. Also, can't say I'm that offended if people keep posting lots of disconnected stories - 'Trump did this today' stuff. Yes, okay, there's a bit of conspiraloonery-lite in some of that stuff, but the day to day machinations of the inner circle are quite amusing, right through to this week's de-Moochisation.

Anyway, I'm off to sort out these fence related arse splinters.

 

[bimble]

This might just be the wrongest thing he's ever tweeted. Surely nobody on earth wants him to stop using social media, apart from maybe his press secretary and some of his most earnest supporters.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

We won't see a 'What Happened in the 2016 Election?' thread, because there's only a small handful of people who would participate - as opposed to the wide interest in what's happening during the Trump Presidency.

The 'Election' thread would turn into five people talking at each other, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

No one who considers themselves to be in possession of The Answers, would willingly consign themselves to such a claustrophobic Purgatory.

 

[extra dry]

The 45 oddest quotes from Donald Trump's secretive Wall Street Journal interview - CNNPolitics.com

It is almost funny to think this anti-christ .5 has only been in power 6 months.

 

[8den]

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This might just be the wrongest thing he's ever tweeted. Surely nobody on earth wants him to stop using social media, apart from maybe his press secretary and some of his most earnest supporters.

He tweeted this from the bathroom, while Kelly & Ivanka were banging on the door after failing to wrestle the phone from his tiny fingers.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

This statement seems pretty normal ... right up to the last paragraph:

Trump Statement on Russia Sanctions: My Company Worth ‘Many Billions’

Trump statement on sanctions: My company worth 'many billions'

It's like the speechwriters wrote the rest; but Trump insisted on adding his own little rider at the end.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Trump claimed on Monday: “The president of Mexico called me. They said their southern border, very few people are coming because they know they’re not going to get through our border, which is the ultimate compliment.”

Asked about the alleged call, Mexico’s foreign relations department said Peña Nieto “has not had any recent telephone communication with President Donald Trump”.

Days earlier, in the WSJ interview, Trump said his speech to the Boy Scouts in Virginia – partisan, disjointed and often rambling – had been praised by the organization.

“I got a call from the head of the Boy Scouts saying it was the greatest speech that was ever made to them, and they were very thankful,” Trump said.

The Boy Scouts told the Associated Press on Wednesday: “We are unaware of any such call.”

Boy Scouts and Mexico both deny claims of calling Trump to offer praise

It's rather disturbing that he makes these lies that are so easily disproved.

 

[8den]

This is fine.


Trump’s daughter-in-law pushes his propaganda: Lara Trump launches “real news” show to praise the president

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

http://jezebel.com/every-time-a-man-splains-follow-the-maxine-waters-meth-1797363695

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

We won't see a 'What Happened in the 2016 Election?' thread, because there's only a small handful of people who would participate - as opposed to the wide interest in what's happening during the Trump Presidency.

The 'Election' thread would turn into five people talking at each other, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

No one who considers themselves to be in possession of The Answers, would willingly consign themselves to such a claustrophobic Purgatory.

The reason you'll never see the thread is because it would turn into the very Definition of CLUSTERFUCK

 

[spring-peeper]

Not Trump, per se - but definitely Trump related.

A temporary welcome centre has been opened at the Olympic Stadium in Montreal to house a surge of asylum seekers coming from the United States to Quebec.

"We've never seen this before," said Francine Dupuis, spokesperson for PRAIDA, the provincial government organization that helps claimants in their first months.

"It's really quite a bit more intense than what we're used to."

On Wednesday, asylum seekers were taken to the Olympic Stadium by bus. Among them were children and pregnant women.

For many asylum seekers in Montreal, long journey includes stop at YMCA
Illegal border crossings by asylum seekers decline in Manitoba but spike in Quebec
In the past, PRAIDA has worked with a Montreal YMCA to temporarily provide newcomers with housing and support, but a surge of Haitians crossing the border from the United States has strained PRAIDA's existing resources and forced them to open several new centres, including one at the Olympic Stadium.

"We've never seen this before."

Olympic Stadium opened to temporarily house 'intense' surge of asylum seekers from U.S.

There is a large Haitian community in Montreal.

 

[maomao]

The problem with this thread is the problem with the liberals as a whole. They want us to believe that they're politics is free of ideology, it's just being sensible. But just as an ideology free politics is a fairy tale so it's impossible to have an objective view of what constitutes 'stupid shit that Trump' s done'. Until very recently we had a poster throwing up endless articles from right wing and conservative websites (including The Daily Mail) just because they were about Trump. I'm happy to admit that Trump does some stupid shit but I'm pretty fucking sure there's not alot of overlap between Paul Dacre's definition of stupid shit and mine.

 

[TomUS]

The Democrats are showing every indication that they haven't learned their lesson, so this notion that the last election is no longer relevant just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. If the Democrats really want their greater share of the popular vote to consistently translate into victory at the polls, then if nothing else they should be doing their damnedest to abolish the anti-democratic Electoral College. This doesn't require them to turn into the Bolsheviks, or to ape the Republicans. Quite the opposite actually.

It would be great to abolish the EC but for the Dems to spend resources on that now would prove fruitless since a constitutional amendment requires 2/3 of the House and Senate and 3/4 of the state legislatures.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

It would be great to abolish the EC but for the Dems to spend resources on that now would prove fruitless since a constitutional amendment requires 2/3 of the House and Senate and 3/4 of the state legislatures.

It would probably be more efficient to challenge gerrymandering in the courts and legislatures. The EC wouldn't be near the issue it is, if the states weren't so gerrymandered that it's nearly impossible to elect anything other than a Republican in some districts. It would also be a more efficient use of resources to challenge voter suppression.

 

[8den]

It would probably be more efficient to challenge gerrymandering in the courts and legislatures. The EC wouldn't be near the issue it is, if the states weren't so gerrymandered that it's nearly impossible to elect anything other than a Republican in some districts.

Its a pointless battle to fight when they're trying to do the above, and have to scramble to keep up with a legislative agenda with is an assault on human rights and health care.

 

[CRI]

Obsessively telling working class people of colour that their real problem isn't class, that they have, and should have nothing to do with others of the same class until all matters relating to race are first resolved, can do nothing other than solidify the positions of those at the top at the expense of the working class majority of all colours underneath. This why the platform has been adopted by establishments almost everywhere. They can bask in the public relations glow, but when all is said in done, it costs them nothing. So, no matter how you chop that message, no matter how pious the delivery, it works in exactly the same way and serves precisely the same purpose as all previous right-wing stratagems.

You know, I think working class people of colour are quite capable of figuring out how and why they experience systemic oppression in society without being "told" what to think.

The US was founded on the ideals of white supremacy and these never went away. They're more overt under Trump's "leadership", true, but white people across the socio economic spectrum have perpetuated and benefited from white supremacy since the first European "settlers" arrived.

Surely you can see why people of colour may be a tad reluctant to join a group hug with white majority working class causes if they've been thrown under a bus before and knowing they'll probably be told to shush if they raise the issue of racism in the movement or even suggest an intersectional analysis of race, class, gender, etc. oppression?

See also Feminism.

 

[CRI]

Boy Scouts and Mexico both deny claims of calling Trump to offer praise

It's rather disturbing that he makes these lies that are so easily disproved.

Comes back to that point from Sarah Kendzior. He's not lying with the intention of deceiving anyone. It's a classic autocrat ploy to show power. He lies openly about anything and anyone to show to the nation he can, and the people can do nothing about it.

 

[CRI]

This is fine.


Trump’s daughter-in-law pushes his propaganda: Lara Trump launches “real news” show to praise the president

How very retro - like parts of Eastern Europe in the 80's or parts of Latin America in the 70's.

 

[CRI]

Well, this isn't good.

The resignation of George Selim, a key Homeland Security official, may signal a shift away from treating the American Muslim community as partners in the struggle against radicalization.

George Selim, the federal counterterrorism official who works most closely with the organized American Muslim community, tendered his resignation on Friday. His ouster is a victory for Trump officials like Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka, who see mainstream Muslim organizations as Islamist fronts, and for those American Muslims who oppose any counterterrorism cooperation with Washington. “There were clearly political appointees in this administration who didn’t see the value of community partnerships with American Muslims,” Selim told me. It is the clearest sign yet that government cooperation with Muslim communities, which has proved crucial to preventing terrorist attacks, is breaking down.

The news was first reported on Sunday afternoon by The Conservative Review, a journal edited by the talk-show host Mark Levin, citing a senior administration official. It called Selim “a prominent Obama administration holdover known for engaging fringe Islamic radicals.”

But Selim, who confirmed to me on Sunday night that this will be his last week on the job, is not a Democrat with Islamist sympathies. He’s a conservative Republican who many Muslim activists viewed with suspicion. For the past two years, he’s been the founding director of the Office of Community Partnerships in the Department of Homeland Security, and the leader of the federal Countering Violent Extremism Task Force.

 

[DotCommunist]

Surely you can see why people of colour may be a tad reluctant to join a group hug with white majority working class causes, knowing they'll probably be told to shush if they raise the issue of racism in the movement or even suggest an intersectional analysis of race, class, gender, etc. oppression?

have you decided what these are? I mean you've neatly split off 'white working class causes' from the issues facing the working class as a whole so lets hear them.

 

[Yossarian]

We won't see a 'What Happened in the 2016 Election?' thread, because there's only a small handful of people who would participate - as opposed to the wide interest in what's happening during the Trump Presidency.

The 'Election' thread would turn into five people talking at each other, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

No one who considers themselves to be in possession of The Answers, would willingly consign themselves to such a claustrophobic Purgatory.

IIRC, the election thread ended up getting binned because people were using it to discuss whatever stupid shit Trump had done that day. At the same time, the "Trump presidency" thread was shut down for having too much discussion of the election or whatever.