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The day of the Glorious Twelve I was working in Belfast on the Ormeau Ave. First time in Belfast for the 12th. Walking in work, there was a guy swinging from a can of harp wearing a Hawaiin print shirt with a Donald Trump pattern, and a MAGA cap waiting for the parade to start.*



*Trump is a natural fit for Orangemen.
I would just like to say that I've never seen anybody wearing Donald Trump patterns (?!) or pro-Donald Trump slogans anywhere in the UK. Maybe some of you should have a lie down and try to clear your minds of him a bit more often.
 
What, those countries who are helping NATO's push towards the borders of Russia? Something that Russia has never stood for and never will no matter who is in power there, and explains why the Russians are fighting back.

The indefinite expansion of the EU and its attempts to dicatate to member states exactly what their elected governments are allowed to do is what's unsustainable, as is its exploitative free labour market.

So not election rigging then?


I would just like to say that I've never seen anybody wearing Donald Trump patterns (?!) or pro-Donald Trump slogans anywhere in the UK. Maybe some of you should have a lie down and try to clear your minds of him a bit more often.

You're claiming that Russia is responding to EU aggression, and you think other people need to have a lie down? Really?
 
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QUOTE="RD2003, post: 15175587, member: 73680"]I would just like to say that I've never seen anybody wearing Donald Trump patterns (?!) or pro-Donald Trump slogans anywhere in the UK. Maybe some of you should have a lie down and try to clear your minds of him a bit more often.

You're claiming that Russia is responding to EU aggression, and you think other people need to have a lie down? Really?[/QUOTE]
To a threat it will always perceive from NATO whether anybody else likes it or not-and not without good reason. The EU badly miscalculated when it tried intervening in Ukraine to overthrow an elected government.
 
You're claiming that Russia is responding to EU aggression, and you think other people need to have a lie down? Really
To a threat it will always perceive from NATO whether anybody else likes it or not-and not without good reason. The EU badly miscalculated when it tried intervening in Ukraine to overthrow an elected government.

I thought I had all the mad pro-Putin idiots.
 
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To a threat it will always perceive from NATO whether anybody else likes it or not-and not without good reason. The EU badly miscalculated when it tried intervening in Ukraine to overthrow an elected government.

I thought I had all the mad pro Putin idiots.[/QUOTE]
Nothing I have said is pro-Putin.
 
On The Hill Trump to Mexican president: Stop saying your government won't pay for wall
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"You cannot say that to the press,” Trump told Nieto, urging him to refrain from the public statements because of the political damage it would impose on Trump.

“... If you are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore because I cannot live with that,” Trump told Nieto, according to the transcript obtained by the Post.

In a line likely to surprise some Trump supporters, the president described the wall as "the least important thing we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important."

The conversation is one of several Trump held with foreign leaders as he took office.
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It didn't take long before folk in Congress were telling Trump they couldn't find money to build his daft wall either.
 
Ohio plays a key role in their understanding of the divine plan, as revealed in the “revival man” prophecy, the one featuring Gulliver laying across a map of the U.S.: Gulliver’s head is in Cleveland, his heart in Columbus and his loins in Cincinnati. Amedia relocated to Ohio from Florida several years ago, he says, in response to God’s call.

POTUS Shield: Trump’s Dominionist Prayer Warriors and the ‘Prophetic Order of the United States’ | Right Wing Watch

long article, but if you're not from the states you might want to read the whole thing.
 
You know, I think working class people of colour are quite capable of figuring out how and why they experience systemic oppression in society without being "told" what to think. :rolleyes:

The US was founded on the ideals of white supremacy and these never went away. They're more overt under Trump's "leadership", true, but white people across the socio economic spectrum have perpetuated and benefited from white supremacy since the first European "settlers" arrived.

Surely you can see why people of colour may be a tad reluctant to join a group hug with white majority working class causes if they've been thrown under a bus before and knowing they'll probably be told to shush if they raise the issue of racism in the movement or even suggest an intersectional analysis of race, class, gender, etc. oppression?

See also Feminism.

This presentation of the working class in caricature is only possible because as far as liberals see it 'anti-racism', makes it alright to hate the poor. Stripped down it's just old school snobbery with a progressive make over. But so liberating. A marginalised working class resulted in Trump, Brexit and rise the FN...but as far as you are concerned it all goes to prove that they haven't been marginalised enough. There's needs to be less democracy not more an so on. So determined are you to be a bending over backward lefty you have tipped out of the other side of the boat.
 
This presentation of the working class in caricature is only possible because as far as liberals see it 'anti-racism', makes it alright to hate the poor. Stripped down it's just old school snobbery with a progressive make over. But so liberating. A marginalised working class resulted in Trump, Brexit and rise the FN...but as far as you are concerned it all goes to prove that they haven't been marginalised enough. There's needs to be less democracy not more an so on. So determined are you to be a bending over backward lefty you have tipped out of the other side of the boat.

So because the right told them that immigrants were coming to steal their jobs and healthcare, and they voted for it, we just have to sit and take it, and all the other shit that comes with it?
 
The Post's Greg Miller has obtained transcripts of President Trump's calls with the heads of Mexico and Australia during his first days in office, and they are both doozies.

One big takeaway is that Trump seems to acknowledge exactly what his pledge to make Mexico pay for the border wall was — a hollow promise meant to rile up the base.

At one point in his call with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, Trump even acknowledges that the wall is “the least important thing we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important.”

You hear that, Trump supporters? That applause line that Trump used with such gusto for basically his entire campaign — “Build that wall,” and “Who's going to pay for it? (Crowd response: MEXICO!)"? It was all vote-bait, red meat for voters who didn't know that it was completely impractical and would never happen. And within his first days in office — this call took place on Jan. 27, a week after Trump's inauguration — Trump was already throwing in the towel on it on a call with the Mexican president.

Analysis | Trump admits he punked his supporters on Mexico paying for the wall
 
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The day of the Glorious Twelve I was working in Belfast on the Ormeau Ave. First time in Belfast for the 12th. Walking in work, there was a guy swinging from a can of harp wearing a Hawaiin print shirt with a Donald Trump pattern, and a MAGA cap waiting for the parade to start.*



*Trump is a natural fit for Orangemen.
Ah the Glorious Twelfth. Make America Grouse Again :thumbs:
 
So because the right told them that immigrants were coming to steal their jobs and healthcare, and they voted for it, we just have to sit and take it, and all the other shit that comes with it?
No, you can wring your hands daily on a messageboard in England.
 
So because the right told them that immigrants were coming to steal their jobs and healthcare, and they voted for it, we just have to sit and take it, and all the other shit that comes with it?

What did the Left tell them?

'Immigrants are coming in such numbers you will soon be a minority (and not a moment too soon). Yours jobs will be out-sourced but you will take and like it and all the other shit that comes with it. Because our primary concern is that Hilary breaks the glass ceiling.' So Vote Democrat!
You fucking racist losers!'

Liberals were warned over twenty years ago that identity politics would prove to be a recruiting sergeant for the far-right. Now that it is actually happening. the left solution is to demand even more of it. Useful idiots? That isn't even the half of it.
 
A marginalised working class resulted in Trump, Brexit and rise the FN...but as far as you are concerned it all goes to prove that they haven't been marginalised enough.

Some of a section of a marginalised working class voted for a billionaire who appointed a load of Goldman Sachs people, it's true.

But I suspect most marginalised working class people with browner shades of skin didn't support him. Perhaps they don't pop into your head when you think of the working class though.
 
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Why is he tweeting that "Our relationship with Russia is at an all-time & very dangerous low" ?

Because its the only thing he can do. Trump was always going to be one of the (if not the) weakest Presidents of all time; now he is seeing exactly how little power he actually has.
 
The day of the Glorious Twelve I was working in Belfast on the Ormeau Ave. First time in Belfast for the 12th. Walking in work, there was a guy swinging from a can of harp wearing a Hawaiin print shirt with a Donald Trump pattern, and a MAGA cap waiting for the parade to start.*



*Trump is a natural fit for Orangemen.
Sadly, I must agree, the members of the various orange orders that I met during my time in NI in the early seventies were amongst the most objectionable human beings it has been my misfortune to meet.
 
You're claiming that Russia is responding to EU aggression, and you think other people need to have a lie down? Really?

In fairness, during the early 60s there was a rather unsettling period when Russia tried to get a wee bit close to the American border:p
NATOs (and the EUs) hubris following Russia's collapse in 89 was in retrospect, arrogant, short sighted and fucking stupid.
 
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Working class issues used to be just that regardless of race and culture etc etc. Racism existed and was fought, including by white working class activists.

Then issues were hijacked by the smug identity politics brigade. Well-funded job opportunities opened up. Careers flourished. Economic inequality continued, and continues, to grow.
Um in other words, "Back in the day, we were all just one big happy colourblind working class family until some uppity Black people complained we weren't doing enough about racism then jumped on the equalities gravy train leaving us white working class people still oppressed." :hmm:
 
Um in other words, "Back in the day, we were all just one big happy colourblind working class family until some uppity Black people complained we weren't doing enough about racism then jumped on the equalities gravy train leaving us white working class people still oppressed." :hmm:
No. That's why I pointed out that 'racism existed and was fought, including by white working class activists.'

Whatever else identity politics is about, it isn't equality, by the way. Nor was it initially, or is even now, driven by 'uppity black people' (or Black people as you put it.)
 
This presentation of the working class in caricature is only possible because as far as liberals see it 'anti-racism', makes it alright to hate the poor. Stripped down it's just old school snobbery with a progressive make over. But so liberating. A marginalised working class resulted in Trump, Brexit and rise the FN...but as far as you are concerned it all goes to prove that they haven't been marginalised enough. There's needs to be less democracy not more an so on. So determined are you to be a bending over backward lefty you have tipped out of the other side of the boat.
There are more people of colour among the lowest socio-economic strata in the US, in relation to their proportions in society, than there are white people. So that's rather inconvenient for your argument about "anti-racism" being about making hatred of the poor acceptable. That's just bunk.

And, I doubt you'll find many working class people of colour in the US who voted Trump, in the UK who voted for Brexit or in France voted FN. So you're really talking about just white working class people here, and they clearly didn't show much solidarity for their non-white working class comrades when they voted for overtly racist candidates, eh?
 
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