What stupid shit has Trump done today?

[CRI]

In America and a shed load of other European countries, easily the most marginalised grouping is the working class of all colours. Indeed so marginalised has it become, liberals opinion formers, because it had become invisible to them, convinced themselves such a thing no longer existed. Cue Brexit. Cue Trump. Cue Shock. Cue Horror. Ironically, it is identity politics which has been so successful in dividing the working class against itself, which also facilitates this self-deception.

You do find a higher proportion of people of colour among the less wealthy strata in the US and European societies, that's true. But this doesn't mean their experience of oppression is the same as for white working class people, nor that white working class people can't be racist or instrumental in the oppression of people of colour. Do you not understand that? Do you not see how telling people of colour who campaign for civil rights (e.g. protest against racist policing,) that their real problem is class and they should drop their divisive identity politics is patronising, and dare I say, perpetuating the invisibility and marginalisation of people of colour?

 

[CRI]

You may be surprised to learn that this is generally considered to be a rather left-wing website.

You maybe surprised to learn that this thread is about the current President of the USA and the social, economic and political context of American politics, which has never been "left wing," and sadly, despite the wishing and hoping of many here (including me actually) is never, ever gonna be.

 

[CRI]

the realists and grownups stood clinton, who still remains less favourably polled than trump himself. #berniewouldawon

Clinton is out of the game. Why the fuck is everyone so obsessed with her? Christ, change the bloody record. It's not 2016 anymore.

 

[CRI]

Interestingly, the inference in the email appears to suggest that black Baptists might take a greater objection to his being an non-believer than being Jewish.
Yet Luttlwak refers to "ever so discreet anti-Semitic messaging very precisely aimed at black voters."
Contrary to the headline in other words, it wasn't actually his 'religious beliefs' that were to be used against him. It was down to the fact he was a Jew. Classy. And classier.

Wikileaks, huh.

 

[DotCommunist]

Clinton is out of the game. Why the fuck is everyone so obsessed with her? Christ, change the bloody record. It's not 2016 anymore.

And the democrats have learned nothing from the loss. You know this, you were moaning about the dems earlier in this vein. It bears repeating whenever the liberal-left punches left towards the left. You stood your candidate and sidelined the 'dreamers' backing a credible left candidate. You got the nightmare of trump. You seem to do this balancing act of 'trump is in, the world has gone insane and nothing is normal now'. Yet when a left alternative is spoken of, well, thats different. We must be realistic. Right.

 

[TomUS]

And the democrats have learned nothing from the loss. You know this, you were moaning about the dems earlier in this vein. It bears repeating whenever the liberal-left punches left towards the left. You stood your candidate and sidelined the 'dreamers' backing a credible left candidate. You got the nightmare of trump. You seem to do this balancing act of 'trump is in, the world has gone insane and nothing is normal now'. Yet when a left alternative is spoken of, well, thats different. We must be realistic. Right.

Right. The Democratic Socialists of America....talk of ending capitalism, collective ownership of the means of production......isn't going to do any good in the US.....or in any country with an advanced economy that I can think of. The Hillary bashing is pointless. But correct, the Democrats didn't learn much at all from their defeat. They need to be real liberals, not wimpy,wishy washy, corrupt ones.

 

[CRI]

Right. The Democratic Socialists of America....talk of ending capitalism, collective ownership of the means of production......isn't going to do any good in the US.....or in any country with an advanced economy that I can think of. The Hillary bashing is pointless. But correct, the Democrats didn't learn much at all from their defeat. They need to be real liberals, not wimpy,wishy washy, corrupt ones.

I was "moaning" about the Democratic Party leadership fretting over complaints from both the left and right, within and outwith the party, that it should abandon core principles (e.g. women's reproductive choice, civil rights, etc.) and their core supporters to "win over" white, blue collar Trump voters. It is a WASTE OF TIME. They'll never, ever rush into the arms of the Democratic party. They're Republicans and most voted for trump BECAUSE of his policies, not in spite of them.

It's more than 3 years until the next presidential election, but I'm already seeing Senator Kamala Harris being slated by folk on the left. She hasn't given any indication that she plans to run for her party's presidential nomination in 2020, but they seem to be going into overdrive bashing her. Hmmmm, I do wonder why.

 

[CRI]

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is preparing to redirect resources of the Justice Department’s civil rights division toward investigating and suing universities over affirmative action admissions policies deemed to discriminate against white applicants, according to a document obtained by The New York Times.

JFC

 

[Yossarian]

‘The moment when it really started to feel insane’: An oral history of the Scaramucci Era

So many gems in there.

There were disagreements all over camp. Some people saying “F Trump,” some people saying “MAGA.” I heard there was a troop from New York that had a troop from Texas right next to them and the leaders had to keep them separate.

A time when Boy Scout turned against Boy Scout...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And the democrats have learned nothing from the loss.

Should the New York Times be coming to you for inside scoops on the internal functioning of the Democratic Party?

 

[DotCommunist]

Should the New York Times be coming to you for inside scoops on the internal functioning of the Democratic Party?

Oh no, theres other wise sages on the thread who they should consult first. Let not me stand in the way of such learned voices.

 

[maomao]

You maybe surprised to learn that this thread is about the current President of the USA and the social, economic and political context of American politics, which has never been "left wing," and sadly, despite the wishing and hoping of many here (including me actually) is never, ever gonna be.

You could do with reading a couple of history books you could. The political context of US politics was surprisingly left wing until a few decades ago. And given the democratic party seem incapable of offering any sort of realistic opposition you might need to look a little further to the left if you want to rid your lives of the orange buffoon who upsets you so.

I'm not sure what you're doing in this bit of the conversation anyway seeing as it came from a discussion about an article posted by a poster that you accused of racism and then put on ignore when asked to explain yourself about a year or so ago.

 

[NoXion]

I was "moaning" about the Democratic Party leadership fretting over complaints from both the left and right, within and outwith the party, that it should abandon core principles (e.g. women's reproductive choice, civil rights, etc.) and their core supporters to "win over" white, blue collar Trump voters. It is a WASTE OF TIME. They'll never, ever rush into the arms of the Democratic party. They're Republicans and most voted for trump BECAUSE of his policies, not in spite of them.

It's more than 3 years until the next presidential election, but I'm already seeing Senator Kamala Harris being slated by folk on the left. She hasn't given any indication that she plans to run for her party's presidential nomination in 2020, but they seem to be going into overdrive bashing her. Hmmmm, I do wonder why.

Nobody on the left, and certainly nobody on this thread, is saying that the Dems should abandon reproductive choice or civil rights. That you think left and right are making the same criticisms simply shows that you're not actually listening. You keep doing this, accusing anyone to the left of the Dems of basically being the same as their rightward opposition, but you never substantiate such libelous accusations.

 

[Idris2002]

Time to end the disastrous American experiment.

 

[seventh bullet]

You do find a higher proportion of people of colour among the less wealthy strata in the US and European societies, that's true. But this doesn't mean their experience of oppression is the same as for white working class people, nor that white working class people can't be racist or instrumental in the oppression of people of colour. Do you not understand that? Do you not see how telling people of colour who campaign for civil rights (e.g. protest against racist policing,) that their real problem is class and they should drop their divisive identity politics is patronising, and dare I say, perpetuating the invisibility and marginalisation of people of colour?

If I ever have sprogs, I hope they bury people like you.

 

[Joe Reilly]

You do find a higher proportion of people of colour among the less wealthy strata in the US and European societies, that's true. But this doesn't mean their experience of oppression is the same as for white working class people, nor that white working class people can't be racist or instrumental in the oppression of people of colour. Do you not understand that? Do you not see how telling people of colour who campaign for civil rights (e.g. protest against racist policing,) that their real problem is class and they should drop their divisive identity politics is patronising, and dare I say, perpetuating the invisibility and marginalisation of people of colour?

Obsessively telling working class people of colour that their real problem isn't class, that they have, and should have nothing to do with others of the same class until all matters relating to race are first resolved, can do nothing other than solidify the positions of those at the top at the expense of the working class majority of all colours underneath. This why the platform has been adopted by establishments almost everywhere. They can bask in the public relations glow, but when all is said in done, it costs them nothing. So, no matter how you chop that message, no matter how pious the delivery, it works in exactly the same way and serves precisely the same purpose as all previous right-wing stratagems.

 

[8den]

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is preparing to redirect resources of the Justice Department’s civil rights division toward investigating and suing universities over affirmative action admissions policies deemed to discriminate against white applicants, according to a document obtained by The New York Times.

JFC

But lets re run the 2016 election, again.

 

[J Ed]

But lets re run the 2016 election, again.

How dare anyone put anything into a wider historical context.

 

[J Ed]

Better instead to just breathlessly report on every new thing from hour to hour, treat anyone trying to look at wider sociopolitical or historical context as a political enemy, label and behave in a hostile way towards the idea that there might be multiple overlapping, contradictory and complicated reasons for why elections are won and lost.

 

[CRI]

If I ever have sprogs, I hope they bury people like you.

Wow, you have a nice day, too!

 

[CRI]

But lets re run the 2016 election, again.

It's like Gilligan's Island and I Dream of Jeannie after school, every single day!

 

[8den]

Better instead to just breathlessly report on every new thing from hour to hour, treat anyone trying to look at wider sociopolitical or historical context as a political enemy, label and behave in a hostile way towards the idea that there might be multiple overlapping, contradictory and complicated reasons for why elections are won and lost.

This week both the Boy Scouts and several police organisations had to distant themselves from statements made by the President. There's no historical context for this.

Between voter suppression & Russian interference, it's clear trying to replay an election that was so crooked is pointless. Clinton did win the popular vote by 3 million and were it not for the aforementioned reasons, she'd be in the Whitehouse today.

If you want to argue that Clinton would be a better or worse President than Trump you are on your fucking own pal, because that's just specious nonsense. Anything would be better than this corrupt clown shit show at the moment.

 

[DotCommunist]

kliens got a new book out, heres a bit from a review:

Trump’s ascension is Klein’s small-scale story, and she presents it with great insight, drawing on her work on branding and shock to present a rich narrative of the real-estate tycoon’s rise to power. Klein explains that Trump

built his brand and amassed his wealth — by selling the promise that “you too could be Donald Trump” — at a time when life was becoming so much more precarious if you weren’t in the richest one percent. He then turned around and used that very same pitch to voters — that he would make America a country of winners again…

Combined with a tone-deaf Democratic Party and the near total lack of “issues coverage” from major television news networks and we’ve got a “US government as a for-profit family business.” “The presidency,” Klein says, is the “crowning extension of the Trump brand.”

But as much as Klein excoriates Trump — at one point she helpfully reminds readers that, after September 11, he gloated about owning the tallest building in downtown Manhattan — she doesn’t see him as an outlier. Instead, she argues that he is “the entirely predictable, indeed clichéd outcome of ubiquitous ideas and trends that should have been stopped long ago.”

In this respect Klein makes a much stronger argument than most mainstream liberals, who prefer to blame Trump’s victory on Russia or racism

 

[Idris2002]

This week both the Boy Scouts and several police organisations had to distant themselves from statements made by the President. There's no historical context for this.

Between voter suppression & Russian interference, it's clear trying to replay an election that was so crooked is pointless. Clinton did win the popular vote by 3 million and were it not for the aforementioned reasons, she'd be in the Whitehouse today.

If you want to argue that Clinton would be a better or worse President than Trump you are on your fucking own pal, because that's just specious nonsense. Anything would be better than this corrupt clown shit show at the moment.

Wait, he told lies about the Boy Scouts? The more I hear about this guy, the less I like him.

Clinton threw away her popular vote because of the idiotic electoral college system the US insists on retaining - and which is not, by the way, a Russian invention.

Time to end the disastrous American experiment.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Better instead to just breathlessly report on every new thing from hour to hour, treat anyone trying to look at wider sociopolitical or historical context as a political enemy, label and behave in a hostile way towards the idea that there might be multiple overlapping, contradictory and complicated reasons for why elections are won and lost.

If you recall, the title of the thread is "What stupid shit has Trump done today?" If you want to talk about the last election endlessly, why don't you start a thread for it? That would make everyone happy.

 

[Idris2002]

If you recall, the title of the thread is "What stupid shit has Trump done today?" If you want to talk about the last election endlessly, why don't you start a thread for it? That would make everyone happy.

All happy families are alike, all unhappy families are unhappy after their own fashion.

 

[8den]

Wait, he told lies about the Boy Scouts? The more I hear about this guy, the less I like him.

Clinton threw away her popular vote because of the idiotic electoral college system the US insists on retaining

I know it's easy to apportion blame on Clinton, but it's her fault that the current electorate system (which has existed since 1845) exists?

- and which is not, by the way, a Russian.

You'll notice I said Russian interference and voter suppression.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Better instead to just breathlessly report on every new thing from hour to hour, ...

... On a thread called 'What Stupid Shit Has Trump Done Today?'

It's like having a thread called 'What's For Tea Tonight?' where a small group of posters continually disrupted the thread by insisting on only posting about the history of boiled dinner through the ages.

 

[Idris2002]

I know it's easy to apportion blame on Clinton, but it's her fault that the current electorate system (which has existed since 1845) exists?




You'll notice I said Russian interference and voter suppression.

It's the fault of her and her party that nothing was done about the basic flaws of the US electoral system (including the rampant gerrymandering) after what happened in Florida in 2000.

And I've seen nothing about the alleged Russian interference that didn't fall apart on closer examination. Did DT have dodgy links with this or that oligarch, or with Vlad himself? Maybe. Does that mean that Vlad stole the election? No, I think that's not even wrong, just silly.

 

[Idris2002]

... On a thread called 'What Stupid Shit Has Trump Done Today?'

It's like having a thread called 'What's For Tea Tonight?' where a small group of posters continually disrupted the thread by insisting on only posting about the history of boiled dinner through the ages.

YES BUT IF YOU EXAMINE THE HISTORY OF BOILED DINNERS YOU WILL BE FORCED TO AGREE THAT TONIGHT'S TEA MUST UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES REPEAT THE AWFUL HORRORS OF PREVIOUS EVENING MEALS

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