What stupid shit has Trump done today?

[flypanam]

My dream scenario is that he doesn't get the GOP nomination and goes out and starts a third party. We all know he won't go away quietly in any case.

McConnell and other Republicans grandees don’t want him, so your scenario is plausible as he has enough of a base to maybe pull as sizeable chunk behind him. The Republicans losing the election and ridding themselves of Trump is probably win win in the long run.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't think he would stand as a third party - his control over the GOP is based on the threat of that, and if they call him on it (and he loses the nomination) then one wonders whether he'd go to the expense of running an obviously doomed third-party run.

I mean, he could have much the same effect (and generate a lot more money) by not running, bitching from the sidelines / suggesting his voters shouldn't back whoever it is and continuing to fundraise to support "worthy candidates". If they then lose 2024 they will end up coming to him.

I think he'd be willing to spend quite a lot of other people's money on a run that would take down the Republican Party if he was rejected in the primaries - He might like the example of Theodore Roosevelt, who did the same thing when he didn't win the Republican nomination for what would have been a third term in 1912 after he had been out of office for four years. The Democratic candidate won but Roosevelt's "Bull Moose" party knocked the Republicans into third place.

 

[Yossarian]

From what we've seen of Trump's relentless efforts to punish Republicans who supported his second impeachment, I think he'd sooner see a Hillary Clinton-Michelle Obama ticket win in 2024 than a Republican one led by someone like Ron DeSantis, who he sees as ungrateful and disrespectful.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I don't think he would stand as a third party - his control over the GOP is based on the threat of that, and if they call him on it (and he loses the nomination) then one wonders whether he'd go to the expense of running an obviously doomed third-party run.

I mean, he could have much the same effect (and generate a lot more money) by not running, bitching from the sidelines / suggesting his voters shouldn't back whoever it is and continuing to fundraise to support "worthy candidates". If they then lose 2024 they will end up coming to him.

The thing is, he's notorious for using other people's money. He's run scam after scam in the guise of fundraising. He's also very good at putting donations to his political campaign in his own pocket by running it through businesses he owns. He'll look at this like another business, with high potential for profitability.

 

[Cloo]

I don't know if he would run as an independent ,Whilst he's a massive narcissist he's also tighter than the proverbial duck's arse and he might not want to send cash he could otherwise skim off. If he loses to DeSantis he won't stand up and say "OK let's all rally behind Ron". He'll undermine him and snipe bitterly at every chance he gets.

Otoh, he does have a large support base of gullible people who'll keep funding him.

 

[agricola]

I think he'd be willing to spend quite a lot of other people's money on a run that would take down the Republican Party if he was rejected in the primaries - He might like the example of Theodore Roosevelt, who did the same thing when he didn't win the Republican nomination for what would have been a third term in 1912 after he had been out of office for four years. The Democratic candidate won but Roosevelt's "Bull Moose" party knocked the Republicans into third place.

The thing is, he's notorious for using other people's money. He's run scam after scam in the guise of fundraising. He's also very good at putting donations to his political campaign in his own pocket by running it through businesses he owns. He'll look at this like another business, with high potential for profitability.

The thing is though he can get that money, and sabotage the GOP in 2024, without the expense and effort of running as an independent. He also wouldn't be as easy to blame for the loss (if they did lose).

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The thing is though he can get that money, and sabotage the GOP in 2024, without the expense and effort of running as an independent. He also wouldn't be as easy to blame for the loss (if they did lose).

You make a good point. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Even with your scenario, Trump running is probably bad news for the Republicans. It could shape up as a full-out civil war in the Republican party, with his usual way of dealing with challengers and conflict.

 

[maomao]

No it isn't, it's two terms total, regardless of whether they were consecutive or not.

It was changed with the 22nd amendment in 1951 after Franklin D Roosevelt served four successive terms.

Roosevelt didn't serve four terms.

 

[strung out]

Roosevelt didn't serve four terms.

Must have imagined the shortened fourth term he served then.

Presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt, third and fourth terms

 

[maomao]

Must have imagined the shortened fourth term he served then.

Presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt, third and fourth terms

He died less than three months in and Truman served most of it.

 

[Yossarian]

I thought US presidents were limited to two terms in office.

As Trump claims he won the last election he's ineligible to stand again, surely...

The 22nd Amendment says, "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice" so yeah, I guess Trump winning in 2024 would be acknowledgement that he was a big loser in 2020 who was defeated by Joe Biden, though that probably won't be included in the oath of office.

 

[strung out]

He died less than three months in and Truman served most of it.

Yeah, I know. His fourth term was very short because he died. Doesn't mean he didn't serve it.

 

[bimble]

This is so good. the New York Post reporting his big news, on page twenty six.

 

[maomao]

Yeah, I know. His fourth term was very short because he died. Doesn't mean he didn't serve it.

The language used in the constitution itself suggests otherwise. Though he did serve some of it (a little over 5%).

 

[Lurdan]

This is so good. the New York Post reporting his big news, on page twenty six.

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The article:

 

[bimble]

The article:

i don't know if it's fair to call him a retiree.

 

[stavros]

i don't know if it's fair to call him a retiree.

Other nouns are available.

 

[Yossarian]

i don't know if it's fair to call him a retiree.

He's a 76-year-old man who handed control of his business over to his sons, moved to Florida, and spends his days playing golf and complaining.

 

[Ax^]

He died less than three months in and Truman served most of it.

technical he still started a 4th term of office

dying is a valid excuse for not seeing it thru to the end

 

[Nylock]

My dream scenario is that he doesn't get the GOP nomination and goes out and starts a third party. We all know he won't go away quietly in any case.

One of the latest 'tell all' books (I think it might be 'Betrayal') mentions Trump strong-arming the RNC chair when she was on the phone to him during his last Airforce One flight to Florida. He apparently threatened to go his own way and taking his base with him after accusing the GOP of doing nothing to help him get elected. I often wondered what motivated them to do a complete volte face after the initial disavowments and condemnations for the January 6th insurrection. The GOP were looking down the barrel of electoral oblivion, so they shit the bed and chose naked self interest over and above everything else.

They should have voted to convict his impeachment during the second trial. All their venality and myopia has succeeded in doing is storing up more trouble for themselves in two years' time. He'll either have an epic dolly ejection moment upon losing to DeSantis in the primaries and set about burning the party to the ground or, if he wins the primary, spectacularly fail to get re-elected and attempt to launch a re-run of J6. Either way, short of Trump croaking between now and 2024/5, it's looking like the GOP is going to have a mega rocky ride ahead of themselves and potential electoral oblivion with a hopelessly split rightwing vote...

Fingers crossed, eh?

 

[platinumsage]

He won’t run, he’s just doing it for attention and financial reasons at the moment, but he will definitely change his mind before the election. He does’t like to lose so will concoct some reason to pull out, probably implying he was unjustly treated or something.

 

[Nylock]

He won’t run, he’s just doing it for attention and financial reasons at the moment, but he will definitely change his mind before the election. He does’t like to lose so will concoct some reason to pull out, probably implying he was unjustly treated or something.

Also, the legal reasons. Let's not forget those...

Until the point that he drops out (if he drops out), he'll be running. He's announced it now. He'll keep milking the grift until he either runs out of options, backers or the hardcore loon base walk away from him. Even then he'll kick up a ginormous stink.

 

[MickiQ]

He won’t run, he’s just doing it for attention and financial reasons at the moment, but he will definitely change his mind before the election. He does’t like to lose so will concoct some reason to pull out, probably implying he was unjustly treated or something.

You never know with him, he is completely unpredictable and doesn't think beyond the moment. It's quite possible he will change his mind a week before the primaries start and then lose his rag because someone says something that annoys him and change his mind again just to spite whoever said it.

 

[Karl Masks]

MAGAGA, I ask you!

 

[chandlerp]

Sounds perfect for Trump as it's something a baby would say.

 

[Karl Masks]

Make America great again out of daddy's casino chips

 

[Lorca]

Maybe he's also announced he's running in order to delay legal action, since he could claim it was direct political interference!

 

[tim]

They should take a look over the pond... 12 years of austerity and the penny still hasn't dropped amongst some of the poorest in this country, lots of Red Wall folk still voted for the Tories, still believing all the bullshit about how it was the immigrants who were stealing their jobs and we needed to 'take back our sovereignty'.

Or, maybe it was because they hadn't experienced the benefits of EU membership that those in the richer South had. I've always found the Northerns are racists argument a tad racist.

 

[Raheem]

Or, maybe it was because they hadn't experienced the benefits of EU membership that those in the richer South had. I've always found the Northerns are racists argument a tad racist.

Or just the benefits of UK membership.

 

[scifisam]

Maybe he's also announced he's running in order to delay legal action, since he could claim it was direct political interference!

Like how Facebook reinstated his account because he was now a politician.

He's not a clever man who knows how to play the world, he's just in a position where he's been given all the pieces to all the games and the world didn't expect expect anyone to try playing them all at the same time. Even if he ends up throwing half the games on the floor in a tantrum, it won't be him clearing them up.