What Now for the BNP?

[malatesta32]

Brand recog is a good way to look at it. NF still make money off it.

Going back to the posts, what is/was the threat?

re: brands. from hope not hate:
We are also seeing more violent racist incidents from people who identify with the EDL, even if they have had no real contact with them. The EDL has become a ‘brand’ in its own right and it produces an imagery and temperament similar to the racist and violent image of the 1970s National Front.

 

[redsquirrel]

The "ten myths" (or at least edited version of them) have been printed in the Guardian, if anyone is interested.

The BNP wasn't a fascist organisation.
As the BNP's own Language and Concepts Discipline manual advised, Griffin wished his party to be perceived as a "rightwing populist party" that espoused "right-of-centre views traditional to ordinary working people who are not leftists'. In fact, throughout its existence, the BNP has remained profoundly fascist, dedicated to a "revolution" that would make Britain an ethnically "pure" society. The BNP had its roots in the most extreme sections of Britain's far right. Griffin developed his own personal ideology from a concoction of "leftwing" nazism, racist mysticism and ideas borrowed from the French Front National about how to pursue cultural hegemony in order to win political power.

After taking over the BNP, he attempted to fashion a respectable public image behind which these ideas could be hidden. Yet even as the BNP tried to distance itself in public from violence, it still attracted supporters who harboured fantasies about armed conflict. In 2006, former BNP member Robert Cottage was jailed for stockpiling explosive chemicals at his Lancashire home. Another ex-member, Terence Gavan, was jailed in 2010 for hoarding guns and homemade bombs in his bedroom. A rise in reported hate crime followed the election of BNP councillors in the West Midlands, London and Essex. What's more, while the BNP attracted a layer of working-class support, it kept some roots in the middle classes, the traditional bedrock of fascism. Griffin was the privately educated son of a businessman; party members included company directors, computing entrepreneurs, bankers and estate agents. The genesis of the EDL indicates similar foundations. It has enjoyed the perception, reflected across the national media, of being a spontaneous expression of working-class anger. The origin of this group, which was conceived in a £500,000 apartment and shaped by a group of anti-Muslim ideologues including a director of a City investment fund and a property developer, suggest a more complex picture. The EDL has displayed increasingly fascist-like behaviour, targeting not only Muslims but leftwing movements too.

Not a very convincing argument IMO.

 

[malatesta32]

things is looking up for the Burnley BNP and the NF then!
labour 493
lib 256
con 96
bnp 95
ukip 35
nf 26

 

[malatesta32]

interview about the new fash book
http://www.live-magazine.co.uk/2012/09/bloody-nasty-people-interview-with-daniel-trilling/

 

[love detective]

Having been reporting on the far right since 2009, Trilling has...

Looks like a shit review of a shit book

 

[Joe Reilly]

Looks like a shit review of a shit book

Indeed. Interesting too, when the likes of Trilling, Owen Jones and Nigel Copsey decide that they are now sufficiently expert to write books on the state of the working class, fascism or anti-fascism they seem to busy themselves consulting everyone bar the very people with first hand knowledge the matters under focus -the people who might actually know what they're talking about. Challenged, Copsey was reduced to lying about it, while Jones, as the Yanks might put it, 'took the 5th'.

 

[where to]

Not a very convincing argument IMO.

aye, some of his 'myths' were really badly argued against. one of them was basically, i met a guy who was involved in workplace antiracism, therefore none of the subsequent government legislation was top-down.

he also argues that the BNP were forced to admit non-white members because 'times have changed' - he totally lost me with that one.

some good points in there too, but nothing new.

 

[Joe Reilly]

he also argues that the BNP were forced to admit non-white members because 'times have changed' - he totally lost me with that one.

Funny how this was applauded as a major coup in liberal circles at the time, and yet in the years since, has there been a single non-white applicant who took the plunge? The answer is probably no. Understandably. Afterall, part of the interview process would likely require a home visit at the very least. With all the implications that would follow such disclosures. Something that seemingly never crossed the dillettante cheerleaders at the time. But then again, despite all the propaganda to the contrary, race-mixing only really happens among the lower-orders so it was never something they, being 'hideously white' might ever have to consider on a personal level. The presumption from the outset being that 'other people would do that'.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Can someone enlighten me on this. Is it true that when John Tyndall wrote the BNP constitution, the phrasing used for their definition of who was allowed to be a member, I think it might've been something like "Anglo-Celtic folk community" was directly translatied from the Nazi party constitution, the words folk community being a translation of "Volkreich". And is it true that other parts of the BNP's constitution deliberately used the Nazi party as a template in this way? I have made some efforts in the past to look this up, but never come to a conclusive answer.

Also, surely the period of John Tyndall's leadership, and the early BNP's open nazism, is a better example to point to for proof that the BNP is a fascist party than the things Daniel Trilling was saying in that top 10?

 

[malatesta32]

joe, despite the cosmetic change there has been very little diffference in BNP support. however, the change did pissed a lot of members off and they left claiming that the BNP was soft and also multicultural (and probably run by the jooos too!).

 

[ViolentPanda]

Can someone enlighten me on this. Is it true that when John Tyndall wrote the BNP constitution, the phrasing used for their definition of who was allowed to be a member, I think it might've been something like "Anglo-Celtic folk community" was directly translatied from the Nazi party constitution, the words folk community being a translation of "Volkreich". And is it true that other parts of the BNP's constitution deliberately used the Nazi party as a template in this way? I have made some efforts in the past to look this up, but never come to a conclusive answer.

Reich is empire or, more loosely, kingdom. Folk community is VolksGemeinschaft, so if Tyndall did use the constitution of the NSDAP he got it fundamentally wrong, as the NSDAP constitution refers specifically to the Aryan volk, and then defines Aryan.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Reich is empire or, more loosely, kingdom. Folk community is VolksGemeinschaft, so if Tyndall did use the constitution of the NSDAP he got it fundamentally wrong, as the NSDAP constitution refers specifically to the Aryan volk, and then defines Aryan.

Cheers, I had a feeling Volkreich wasn't the right word.

 

[Joe Reilly]

joe, despite the cosmetic change there has been very little diffference in BNP support...

You sort of imply that there has been some 'difference in BNP support': what does this amount to in practice?

 

[malatesta32]

'there has been very little diffference in BNP support'

apologies, i meant that the turnover of voters/members is what changes rather than the character. i dont think they have moved away from their 'traditional' support - and any 'middle class' support would appear to have been hoovered up by the tweedy UKIP.

 

[articul8]

Who is Trilling anyway? What's his background? I wonder how books like this get commissioned - did he just send a manuscript to verso and say "it's like chavs 2 - the revenge"?

 

[Pickman's model]

Who is Trilling anyway? What's his background? I wonder how books like this get commissioned - did he just send a manuscript to verso and say "it's like chavs 2 - the revenge"?

why don't you google him instead of showing yourself clewless?

 

[articul8]

ah OK, I did heat that, assistant editor of New Statesman. Not a good sign

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

articul8 I can no longer tell if you're serious or just trying to get a reaction from butchersapron

 

[love detective]

Who is Trilling anyway? What's his background? I wonder how books like this get commissioned - did he just send a manuscript to verso and say "it's like chavs 2 - the revenge"?

as the review says, he's been reporting on the far right since as far back as 2009, so it seems only fair that he gets a book out of it after all these years committed to it

and given the lead time from initial idea to getting it on the shelfs can be a good year or two, he must have pretty much started writing it not long after he started reporting on the far right back in 2009 - yet book deal and publicity in the bag & sorted no problem

 

[articul8]

spotted a gap in the market - if only someone had written a book covering anti-fascism in the UK since the 70s

 

[krink]

a good book about the 70s anti-fascists in that london:



the greek print version (so i'm told)



By the way if anyone is interested in the bnp/nf/edl/infidels' rotating demos in sunderland, if that mild irritation wasn't bad enough they've only inspired the local leninist to set up a uaf style group and at his launch meeting he's got weyman fucking bennett speaking...which i'll have to attend to see what's what...which is so unfair weyman fucking bennett.

 

[Pickman's model]

a good book about the 70s anti-fascists in that london:

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the greek print version (so i'm told)

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By the way if anyone is interested in the bnp/nf/edl/infidels' rotating demos in sunderland, if that mild irritation wasn't bad enough they've only inspired the local leninist to set up a uaf style group and at his launch meeting he's got weyman fucking bennett speaking...which i'll have to attend to see what's what...which is so unfair weyman fucking bennett.

yeh, that is the greek version.

 

[Pickman's model]

articul8 I can no longer tell if you're serious or just trying to get a reaction from butchersapron

i don't think he's ever been serious since he admitted being a member of the labour party. but he'll never again reach the heights of hilarity he achieved when he announced his membership.

 

[malatesta32]

a good book about the 70s anti-fascists in that london:

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the greek print version (so i'm told)

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By the way if anyone is interested in the bnp/nf/edl/infidels' rotating demos in sunderland, if that mild irritation wasn't bad enough they've only inspired the local leninist to set up a uaf style group and at his launch meeting he's got weyman fucking bennett speaking...which i'll have to attend to see what's what...which is so unfair weyman fucking bennett.

lux's book is very entertaining! however i have always doubted the wisdom of 'Mick' wearing his name on the back of his shirt on an anti-fash demo though. like the EDL flags that tell plod EXACTLY where they have come from and where they are going after their carpark occupations.

 

[malatesta32]

griffin actually makes sense (in amongst the usual bollocks!)
http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news

 

[articul8]

he's got weyman fucking bennett speaking...which i'll have to attend to see what's what...which is so unfair weyman fucking bennett.

I often I have to see Mr. Bennett as I need to walk through the UAF office to get to mine. I might be a bit paranoid here but they seem jumpy every time I walk in. Perhaps they have a white prole detector that alerts them?

 

[bignose1]

I often I have to see Mr. Bennett as I need to walk through the UAF office to get to mine. I might be a bit paranoid here but they seem jumpy every time I walk in. Perhaps they have a white prole detector that alerts them?

Can you not go another way man.....

 

[bignose1]

lux's book is very entertaining! however i have always doubted the wisdom of 'Mick' wearing his name on the back of his shirt on an anti-fash demo though. like the EDL flags that tell plod EXACTLY where they have come from and where they are going after their carpark occupations.

He was wearing a Men in Calvin Klein denim jacket

 

[articul8]

Can you not go another way man.....

Nope - one entrance and there's no way of avoiding them as they are right outside the door

 

[bignose1]

Nope - one entrance and there's no way of avoiding them as they are right outside the door

Wayman...Weyman...no..no...!!?