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What Now for the BNP?

Citizen66 said:
More division. Jolly good.
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theyve been on at him to do something for ages. first he was going to lead a 'parallel party' rather than leave the bnp, then various cranks urged him to create a splinter group, and now he has been expelled. he has been at this for years - just been researching the harrogate campaign - and he has had it. he looks like a chuffin' old carthorse. but less sexy.
 
from some fuckbugle on Brit Democracy forum
'He said as much at the John Tyndall Memorial meeting on Saturday. When asked what he plans to do if/when Griffin goes under. Brons said he will be 70 soon and has no wish to carry on in active politics after he steps down from the European Parliament in 2014. He wants to spend more time with his family and on other nonpolitical interests.'
 
oh, and jefferson was hoofed out too. some are asking richard edmonds to front it but he is nearly 90. they truly are diminishing. bring back sid williamson! only he can save us now!
 
HnH say they are organising the British Democratic Party
i am sure it will do just as well as the ED, fluffies, FD, DNP, BPP ...
 
"the EDL ... have radicalised somewhere in the region of 1,000-3,000 young, working class men into the orbit of far right and counter-Jihad politics. "
really? but with no leadership?
 
If the extreme right had a charismatic leader who could pull together the eurosceptics, anti-immigration and the pull the drawbridge up brigade, what would be the best % of voters they could get in the UK?
 
malatesta32 said:
"the EDL ... have radicalised somewhere in the region of 1,000-3,000 young, working class men into the orbit of far right and counter-Jihad politics. "
really? but with no leadership?
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Just because they have no political direction doesn't mean the base hasn't been radicalised.

These 3,000 working class blokes and ladies wouldn't have had the exposure to far right politics on any scale like they have had with the EDL.
 
'ladies?' you sure storm? anyway, i dont think they have become that much more radicalised, i think they have found an outlet. racist/anti 'paki' sentiment is hardly a recent development it has just been rejigged into 'anti-islamism' and 'islam is not a race.' in relation to the above posts, they are still leaderless and they have been direly affected by splits and factionalism tho i am far from optimistic.
 
1%er said:
If the extreme right had a charismatic leader who could pull together the eurosceptics, anti-immigration and the pull the drawbridge up brigade, what would be the best % of voters they could get in the UK?
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If like the BNP they managed to appeal to some of those abandoned by the left I dunno 20%?
 
but still fragmented and without a 'serious leader.' EDL wasted their impetus thru ineptitude - no membership retention etc - and infighting dented their impact seriously. as well as really shit publicity. attacking NUJ members - not only scab but stupid.
 
malatesta32 said:
but still fragmented and without a 'serious leader.' EDL wasted their impetus thru ineptitude - no membership retention etc - and infighting dented their impact seriously. as well as really shit publicity. attacking NUJ members - not only scab but stupid.
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There is a problem with just focusing on leadership at this stage of the game for this lot (i mean the general edl type far right, crossover, not the BNP) - leadership is a process, it's something that grows out of action, out of demonstrated ability to do something and to get others to support it. The first step towards sifting out who has leadership potential is to actually produce the numbers and the actions that will allow people to be put to the test. Which is what i think is now taking place - and what the last para of that extremis article was really talking about. Have to look at this dynamically.
 
butchersapron said:
There is a problem with just focusing on leadership at this stage of the game for this lot (i mean the general edl type far right, crossover, not the BNP) - leadership is a process, it's something that grows out of action, out of demonstrated ability to do something and to get others to support it. The first step towards sifting out who has leadership potential is to actually produce the numbers and the actions that will allow people to be put to the test. Which is what i think is now taking place - and what the last para of that extremis article was really talking about. Have to look at this dynamically.
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Anarchy in action
 
from crazy claire khaw who overestimates her influence somewhat.

It remains to be seen how adventurous and innovative Brons will be. His main problem was always too little, too late. I doubt if he and his associates did form a party they would have me in it. That is why I don't think they will get anywhere.
 
I'm not sure about that tbh. I don't buy the all publicity is good publicity stuff, this is exactly the sort of thing stops the BNP from ever getting anywhere, the vanity and craven stupidity of Nick Griffin. He's so shit he takes the fun out of being anti-fascist.
 
butchersapron said:
There is a problem with just focusing on leadership at this stage of the game for this lot (i mean the general edl type far right, crossover, not the BNP) - leadership is a process, it's something that grows out of action, out of demonstrated ability to do something and to get others to support it. The first step towards sifting out who has leadership potential is to actually produce the numbers and the actions that will allow people to be put to the test. Which is what i think is now taking place - and what the last para of that extremis article was really talking about. Have to look at this dynamically.
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Yes, but that piece ignores the in-put from Geller and others, with Robinson as spokesperson, giving a clear anti-nazi message to his supporters. There's also the events in Blackburn, his recent verbals against Griffin and the BNP to consider. I don't see anyone within the breakaway groups from the EDL displaying any leadership potential. In fact they're seen as a laughing stock. This is the pond Griffin is fishing in and I don't see him reeling in any cadre of note. It seems to be the NF who are gaining recruits from this pool and they're going nowhere.
 
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