What Now for the BNP?

[taffboy gwyrdd]

On Manchester SP. The working class members of the branch formed a section of Manchester Anti-Fascist Alliance (plus others from other bits) and MAFA were able to bring in even more working class people into working class politics. All a chain.

MAFA also disbanded recently with a statement that not everyone agreed with. I wasn't aware that it was a specifically working class thing. If someone was in a "professional" with a mortgage and thus perhaps some bourgoise interests were they precluded from membership? Or was it just coincidence that none were?

I thought the MAFA leaflet was some of the best propaganda I have seen by the way.

 

[Red Storm]

MAFA also disbanded recently with a statement that not everyone agreed with. I wasn't aware that it was a specifically working class thing. If someone was in a "professional" with a mortgage and thus perhaps some bourgoise interests were they precluded from membership? Or was it just coincidence that none were?

I thought the MAFA leaflet was some of the best propaganda I have seen by the way.

There was no membership.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

That's fair comment. I should have been more careful how I wo

There was no membership.

fair enough. I should have worded it better. I appreciated what MAFA were about, how they came to exist and was sad to see them disband. I'm not sure really why they did and didn't find the closing statement too convincing. Perhaps there was something internal and undisclosed.

 

[Red Storm]

The situation had changed too differently to what it had been when it was set up.

It had served its purpose

 

[Gmart]

With voter turnout likely to go down in the next election, I would have thought that this would be an ideal time for the BNP to up the campaign rate. The immigration from the EU has stalled a bit with the recession, but with so many people losing their jobs it could be a period of growth, sadly.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Few things in life are certain, but the BNP will not win an MP seat next time out, or probably ever. Thank fuck. The far right probably need re alignment as much as the broad left. UKIP may complicate that for them even more than Labour and the SWP do for "us".

 

[intersol32]

Few things in life are certain, but the BNP will not win an MP seat next time out, or probably ever. Thank fuck. The far right probably need re alignment as much as the broad left. UKIP may complicate that for them even more than Labour and the SWP do for "us".

I'd say the left are in much worse condition than the far-right. The internet and other media may be buzzing about Griffin and pals mistakes, but as mentioned earlier, the left have little ability to step into the space that's there to try and represent the Working Class in their stead (in reality they seem almost criminally unwilling).

The Working Class across Europe are still prime for the Ultra Nationalist message, whilst the attempts of the left who were actually in government over the last number of years are being held responsible for its current problems. No one remotely associating themselves with these Parties will be trusted again for the next 50 years.

Even the large Anti-Capitalist protests and riots have not embedded themselves deep enough into either the consciousness, or every day community existence of the working class, to make a resurgent left a possibility.

To paraphrase Joe's comment earlier "they just aren't on the landings, but the far-right are".

 

[intersol32]

With voter turnout likely to go down in the next election, I would have thought that this would be an ideal time for the BNP to up the campaign rate. The immigration from the EU has stalled a bit with the recession, but with so many people losing their jobs it could be a period of growth, sadly.

Correct.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

intersol32

I'd say the left are in much worse condition than the far-right.

I aint so sure. In electoral terms it would partially depend on how "left" you think Labour are and how "far right" you think UKIP are. There is general potential for a far right narrative, but don't overlook the sympathy that folks like UK Uncut and The Occupations have.

...whilst the attempts of the left who were actually in government over the last number of years are being held responsible for its current problems. No one remotely associating themselves with these Parties will be trusted again for the next 50 years.

50 years is way too long to be talking about, but I get your point. Of course the idea that those governments were "left" is demonstrably laughable to many.

Even the large Anti-Capitalist protests and riots have not embedded themselves deep enough into either the consciousness, or every day community existence of the working class, to make a resurgent left a possibility.

Hmm... I think the protests and riots could well lodge themselves in consciousness over the next few years. Things are hardly going to get better for people generally, but as you allude to ("criminally unwilling") it seems unlikely from where we are that an organised left would capitalise on it.

 

[malatesta32]

fascintating resignation from dave hannam on northwestnationalists forum. he resigned from the more general struggle last year. not posting link cos i get told off but well worth a squizz!

 

[Pickman's model]

fascintating resignation from dave hannam on northwestnationalists forum. he resigned from the more general struggle last year. not posting link cos i get told off but well worth a squizz!

Whg can't you post the url while giving it an invalid hyperlink?

 

[Pickman's model]

With voter turnout likely to go down in the next election, I would have thought that this would be an ideal time for the BNP to up the campaign rate. The immigration from the EU has stalled a bit with the recession, but with so many people losing their jobs it could be a period of growth, sadly.

and how do you propose the bnp finance this?

 

[The39thStep]

MAFA also disbanded recently with a statement that not everyone agreed with. I wasn't aware that it was a specifically working class thing. If someone was in a "professional" with a mortgage and thus perhaps some bourgoise interests were they precluded from membership? Or was it just coincidence that none were?

I thought the MAFA leaflet was some of the best propaganda I have seen by the way.

Reminds me I must decide whether to stick with a fixed term one or a tracker when I renew in March

 

[malatesta32]

Whg can't you post the url while giving it an invalid hyperlink?

what on earth does that mean????

 

[malatesta32]

hannams resignation letter!
http://nwnationalists.freeforums.org/dave-hannams-resignation-letter-t1605.html

 

[SpineyNorman]

what on earth does that mean????

It means break the link by inserting a couple of spaces or summat. I'd do it now before we have the good people of nwn coming over and keeping us company.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Eg

http:// nwnationalists.freeforums .org/dave-hannams-resignation-letter-t1605.html

 

[DotCommunist]

no, it no longer works if you don't break it the first time. If you edit afterwards xenforo in its eagerness to please keeps it as a working link. You'd have to delete it entire then repost broken in a new post

 

[Pickman's model]

You post the link while editing the url it goes to. There are two parts to a link - the text displayed and where it actually goes to. so you can have "this link" going to http , , and equally you can post a url which doesn't go anywhere

what on earth does that mean????

 

[intersol32]

hannams resignation letter!
http://nwnationalists.freeforums.org/dave-hannams-resignation-letter-t1605.html

Also check out Andrew Brons on his 'BNP Ideas' website (just google it). Headline article on a text message sent out to activists by Griffin. Appears to have got everyones back up.

 

[malatesta32]

am such a web pleb. need to get 'skilled up.'

 

[barney_pig]

Perhaps the left should have been present on those housing estates where many EDL or BNP members come from? Perhaps if they'd thought of a decent local strategy to deal with the kind of problems that Fascism thrives upon, they'd have been able to embed themselves within the community as a radical political alternative.

Had this happened the lads that are likely to turn up tomorrow night would have instead been there providing security for the event, rather than looking to turn it over!

But the left are present on these estates: from monday to friday 10.00 to 4.30 at least; they are the probation officers, the social workers, housing officers and social security staff, the teachers and truancy officers, the myriad faces of kid glove repression and panotopic control of the working class.
on Friday afternoon they drive away from the estates to their edgy flats in their vibrant inner city areas, recently peppered with thrilling new bistros and art centres.
on Saturday afternoons they come back, for an hour or two, hawking socialist worker and the socialist, its headlines declaring; "YOUR sacrifice, YOUR suffering, YOUR blood, will bring US Victory!"

 

[intersol32]

But the left are present on these estates: from monday to friday 10.00 to 4.30 at least; they are the probation officers, the social workers, housing officers and social security staff, the teachers and truancy officers, the myriad faces of kid glove repression and panotopic control of the working class.
on Friday afternoon they drive away from the estates to their edgy flats in their vibrant inner city areas, recently peppered with thrilling new bistros and art centres.
on Saturday afternoons they come back, for an hour or two, hawking socialist worker and the socialist, its headlines declaring; "YOUR sacrifice, YOUR suffering, YOUR blood, will bring US Victory!"

Great response. Absolutely spot on.

 

[The39thStep]

But the left are present on these estates: from monday to friday 10.00 to 4.30 at least; they are the probation officers, the social workers, housing officers and social security staff, the teachers and truancy officers, the myriad faces of kid glove repression and panotopic control of the working class.
on Friday afternoon they drive away from the estates to their edgy flats in their vibrant inner city areas, recently peppered with thrilling new bistros and art centres.
on Saturday afternoons they come back, for an hour or two, hawking socialist worker and the socialist, its headlines declaring; "YOUR sacrifice, YOUR suffering, YOUR blood, will bring US Victory!"

I think you will find that its about 3.30 Fridays and that most people off the estates will have to go to an office in the high street or centre of town these days.

and using a term like panotopic is really not on pal.

 

[barney_pig]

I think you will find that its about 3.30 Fridays and that most people off the estates will have to go to an office in the high street or centre of town these days.

and using a term like panotopic is really not on pal.

Sorry, got over excited.

 

[Red Storm]

UAF have begun their 'Griffin Must Go' campaign up in Manchester.

 

[DaveCinzano]

UAF have begun their 'Griffin Must Go' campaign up in Manchester.

Go where? Do they want him repatriated to Wales?

 

[butchersapron]

They've started their campaign 2 years before the election? I can think of better things to do that would have more potential impact on the BNP vote in the NW than this. Always too good a contact/fund/member making/etc opportunity to resist for these people isn't it?

 

[barney_pig]

Uaf desperate for funds rattle the bogeybones of cyclops

 

[Red Storm]

They had a Gtr Manc conference last weekend. Now this weekend they're going leafleting in Newton Heath!