What is so wrong with looking after 'ones own'??

[Julie]

oh my, another interesting thread from durutti and balders.

Yep.

Simply captivating.

 

[118118]

looking after your own

Its old fashioned, isn't it. And it can have some fairly bad implications. If capitalism was run by a secret cartel of capitalists, then wouldn't they just act to look after their own? W/c morality has got to be a progression, and I can't see a progression in turning inwards. Not saying that it couldn't create solidarity. Its not something I care for, always thought there was something better.

 

[118118]

So durruti/tbaldwin: when are you going to call this international conference on migration? I would have thought that ypu wouldn't spend so much time talking to "your own" about it, unless you were convinced that you had all the answers already without really thinkning about it.

 

[Irenick]

Unfortunately though, they are not: the campaign against the welfare reform bill for instance has had zero support from the far left, even though it will affect literally millions, meanwhile yet another 'anti-war' march is planned for March.

Most of the ‘far left’, as with the trade union movement, treats disability with the briefest whisper of lip service.

Let’s see what sort of response this gets.

‘Come and join us outside Parliament for the House of Lord’s 2nd reading of the Welfare Reform Bill on 29th January.’

 

[treelover]

Who has organised that?, and yes, don't expect the left to be there, to them, disabled people are like 'the lumpen' of no use to the cause....

Come and join us outside Parliament for the House of Lord’s 2nd reading of the Welfare Reform Bill on 29th January

 

[Irenick]

Campaign Against Welfare Reform Bill

 

[treelover]

Do you mean the Coalition Against The Welfare Reform Bill? (CAWRB) I have some involvement in that.

 

[Streathamite]

I try to do both meself.

keep up squire I already did that one!

 

[Irenick]

Do you mean the Coalition Against The Welfare Reform Bill? (CAWRB) I have some involvement in that.

That's exactly what I meant. So do I - when I can remember its name.

 

[tbaldwin]

So durruti/tbaldwin: when are you going to call this international conference on migration? I would have thought that ypu wouldn't spend so much time talking to "your own" about it, unless you were convinced that you had all the answers already without really thinkning about it.

I certainly dont think ive got all the answers...But i think its worth discussing solutions. And dennisr's thread is a good one to look at.

 

[Streathamite]

I certainly dont think ive got all the answers...But i think its worth discussing solutions. And dennisr's thread is a good one to look at.

really, so why does your every post consist of fact-free generalising assertions which you then twist the facts around

 

[Fruitloop]

Unfortunately though, they are not: the campaign against the welfare reform bill for instance has had zero support from the far left, even though it will affect literally millions, meanwhile yet another 'anti-war' march is planned for March.

Why would you want their support? Kiss of death, I would have thought.

 

[tbaldwin]

really, so why does your every post consist of fact-free generalising assertions which you then twist the facts around

So is it Facts free AND twisting of Facts? How does that work?????

 

[Streathamite]

So is it Facts free AND twisting of Facts? How does that work?????

fuck me.
if you were any thicker you'd need daily doses of baby bio!
you FIRST come up with the fact-free generalised dumbass statements, THEN you twist facts around them. two stage process.
you CAN count to two, I trust?

 

[Lock&Light]

fuck me.
if you were any thicker you'd need daily doses of baby bio!
you FIRST come up with the fact-free generalised dumbass statements, THEN you twist facts around them. two stage process.
you CAN count to two, I trust?

I can remember when you were less stupid.

 

[Streathamite]

I can remember when you were less stupid.

I can't remember when you were tbh. either refute the point properly, or leave well alone. you develop your argument by proceeding FROM and THROUGH assertions. however, these themselves need to be adduced from facts. it ain't rocket science.

 

[Lock&Light]

I can't remember when you were tbh. either refute the point properly, or leave well alone. you develop your argument by proceeding FROM and THROUGH assertions. however, these themselves need to be adduced from facts. it ain't rocket science.

It's a fact that I don't like accusations of nazism being bandied about, and a fact that such activity doesn't much bother you.

 

[Streathamite]

It's a fact that I don't like accusations of nazism being bandied about, and a fact that such activity doesn't much bother you.

whaaat? have you been on the mushies? just cos I don't go into paroxysms of self-righteous indignation - not least because the poster thus arraigned is one of the planets premier cyber fuckwits - whilst simultaneously lacking the bollocks to report the post - that hardly means I'm not exercised by it! the accused can look after themselves, they are grown men not babies.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I see from Jezza's quotes that L&L is being his usual priggishly fatuous self.

 

[tbaldwin]

It's a fact that I don't like accusations of nazism being bandied about, and a fact that such activity doesn't much bother you.

Cant say im too worried by any accusation of nazism/national socialism from someone like Nino......He probably said exactly the same to his mum when she asked him to tidy his room up.

 

[treelover]

Would have been better than nowt, support from the anarchist mileue wasn't exactly forthcoming either

Why would you want their support? Kiss of death, I would have thought.
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[Streathamite]

I see from Jezza's quotes that L&L is being his usual priggishly fatuous self.

alack so

 

[nino_savatte]

whaaat? have you been on the mushies?

Nah, just lighter fluid. What else could produce such results?

 

[Irenick]

(CAWRB) I have some involvement in that.

Treelover, anything else going on with CAWRB; apart, that is from the Parliament thing – which is great for me, as I only live a couple of miles away. I received a mailing from SA the other day; all she mentioned was the Lord’s reading of the Bill on 29th January; I got the distinct feeling she thought hers a lone voice in the wilderness – maybe it is; maybe we’ve all capitulated to the inevitability of a New Labour stitch-up; I know, I’ve considered it; have you?

 

[Lock&Light]

He probably said exactly the same to his mum when she asked him to tidy his room up.

He does tend to scweam, doesn't he. And Nino too.

 

[nino_savatte]

Cant say im too worried by any accusation of nazism/national socialism from someone like Nino......He probably said exactly the same to his mum when she asked him to tidy his room up.

I don't think you're a nazi. You're too thick, even for that.

But you do listen to Skrewdriver and you're obsessed with immigration and the "left". I think that says rather a lot about you.

 

[durruti02]

because, dearie, you can help BOTH at the same time, through effective campaigning and community action, whilst all the time persuading both that the boss class and capitalism are the REAL enemies.

so HOW do you actually help people abroad then?

 

[durruti02]

perhaps leftism and anarchism don't have any influence. i never said they did. and as far as i'm concerned refugees are welcome here. it might alienate people who say, oh that anarchist wanker likes them refugees who take our jobs, but fuck em. if they ask me i'll explain why refugees are welcome here. and IME a major portion of the people who are worried about immigration are racists, or politically very ignorant, or of a political mindset where the bosses are undefeatable so they attack their own. in all cases education and optimism are the keys.

i do not think disagree we should support refugees .. whether that means trapsing aboput chanting refugees welcome here is another matter! the arguement geneally is about economic migration

 

[Streathamite]

so HOW do you actually help people abroad then?

tbh, that question needs a whole new thread on its' own, it's such a big question

 

[tbaldwin]

tbh, that question needs a whole new thread on its' own, it's such a big question

With such a short answer?