Westminster sexual abuse scandals

[Louis MacNeice]

Ok. ...As numerous papers have established, they are being exclusively sent from Corbyn supporting 'brocalists', who as everyone knows, are the very worst type of misogynists...

Would you care to expand on this hierarchy of misogynists and give some evidenced examples?

Also how does this universalist condemnation (the weirdly presumptive and excluding 'as everyone knows' claim) fit in with the 'kinder, gentler' politics you say you're after?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[agricola]

"social justice warriors - a warning from history".

i wish these twats from gamers gate et al would just stick to porn sites and calling each other "faggot" whilst playing call of duty.

Or at least play Warband, where they can be hacked to death, impaled by lances and shot with arrows.

 

[J Ed]

edit probably not the best thread to have this discussion on

 

[Pickman's model]

Would you care to expand on this hierarchy of misogynists and give some evidenced examples?

Also how does this universalist condemnation (the weirdly presumptive and excluding 'as everyone knows' claim) fit in with the 'kinder, gentler' politics you say you're after?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

But answer came there none

 

[EYEisBloke]

Would you care to expand on this hierarchy of misogynists and give some evidenced examples?

Eh?

Also how does this universalist condemnation (the weirdly presumptive and excluding 'as everyone knows' claim) fit in with the 'kinder, gentler' politics you say you're after?

Condemning anyone who be low enough to send a woman a rape threat fits perfectly with the type of politics I'm after. I think the bigger question is why you would have a problem with that?

 

[19force8]

But answer came there none

See what you've done Pickman's model

 

[snadge]

Condemning anyone who be low enough to send a woman a rape threat fits perfectly with the type of politics I'm after. I think the bigger question is why you would have a problem with that?

Not a very high bar that, I think the majority of parties in the UK subscribe to that, maybe the Islamist party may not though.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Ok. So I've reflected on what people have said and I don't often say this but you're right, it doesn't matter how many actual rape threats she got. It matters that pretty much the full political spectrum of newspapers have reported that she does regularly get bombarded with them and in fairness they can't all be wrong.

As numerous papers have established, they are being exclusively sent from Corbyn supporting 'brocalists', who as everyone knows, are the very worst type of misogynists. I hope this current scandal weeds out the lot of them so we can all get on with a kinder, gentler and more effective type of politics that actually does something about the human catastrophe that welfare reform has brought upon this country.

Damascene conversion then. Good job team...?

Ok. So I've reflected on what people have said and I don't often say this but you're right, it doesn't matter how many actual rape threats she got. It matters that pretty much the full political spectrum of newspapers have reported that she does regularly get bombarded with them and in fairness they can't all be wrong.

As numerous papers have established, they are being exclusively sent from Corbyn supporting 'brocalists', who as everyone knows, are the very worst type of misogynists. I hope this current scandal weeds out the lot of them so we can all get on with a kinder, gentler and more effective type of politics that actually does something about the human catastrophe that welfare reform has brought upon this country.

Finally, not that it really matters but I've voted liberal my entire life and am absolutely a bit of a dick.

No argument here. You seem remarkably sanguine about your actions. Almost...unrepentant.

Not a very high bar that, I think the majority of parties in the UK subscribe to that, maybe the Islamist party may not though.

Off you fuck poppet.

This is supposed to be a thread dealing with wrong 'uns *hopefully* getting found out and experiencining some kind of consequences for a change, and perhaps even discussing how things can be improved/what the political fall out of all this will be. Let's please keep it that way.

 

[elbows]

Sir Roger Gale warns of the slippery slope to come, the bollock.

But Conservative MP Sir Roger Gale told BBC Radio 4: "We're in danger of getting into a situation where nobody half bright, half sensible, half decent, will want to go into the House of Commons - and that will not be good for democracy.

This is not a witch hunt, says Harman

 

[snadge]

Off you fuck poppet.

This is supposed to be a thread dealing with wrong 'uns *hopefully* getting found out and experiencining some kind of consequences for a change, and perhaps even discussing how things can be improved/what the political fall out of all this will be. Let's please keep it that way.

The political fall out will be that MPs will be deselected and hounded out, grievances that span decades will emerge and the cunts will tar, feather and lie for their own benefit, bereft of any inappropriate conduct.

Once these people enter the sphere of power, their morality is none existent.

If you think you can change any of this, you are being naive.

 

[J Ed]

Sir Roger Gale warns of the slippery slope to come, the bollock.



This is not a witch hunt, says Harman

We had that argument during the expenses scandal, didn't we.

 

[mx wcfc]

I was channel hopping and came across a politics program, where a woman was asked "is this a witch hunt?"

"No", she said, "witch hunts involved men chasing down women for acts they could not possibly have committed and then murdering them" (not verbatim, but you get my drift).

Fair point, well made, I thought.

 

[Humberto]

We aren't talking about schoolkids, those in their teens or even twenties. But rather people middle aged and above, who have persued a career. They literally come out with the 'if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear' line, now here we are. Due process SHOULD be observed but this is not looking good.

Funnily enough, half of these time wasting nobodies condemn US. On what grounds?: political social and indeed moral. There is an idea, promoted by them, that he who limps through difficult circumstance should be cast out, should prostrate themselves and be punished, should sit in the dark and count themselves lucky.

It turns out your persecutors are actually examples of gobshites. That in itself is not enough, it will blow over to some extent, that said, make the buggers suffer.

I don't know what the difference is. One person is no less important, deserving or valuable than many others put together. Yet the many serve the few. This is not necessarily a shit country. There are people who want it to be but I believe the people themselves will win through. To temper or explain: people want justice. They are drawn to it. Its a universal hunger. Corruption is its enemy.

Justice will come, it may look hopeless at times but the circumstances can change swiftly. The citadels which underpin injustice are flimsy, they grow old and need replacing. We need to get over their 'authority'. Keep it basic, they have better media skills and cultivate political connections, they can attack but they cannot win.

The interest of the people, the decency of the people will overcome.

 

[elbows]

Another reason Fallon got the chop:

Revealed: why Michael Fallon was forced to quit as defence secretary

The cabinet heavyweight’s shock departure on Wednesday followed a phone call from the journalist, Jane Merrick, who informed Downing Street that he had lunged at her and attempted to kiss her on the lips in 2003 after they had lunched together.

The revelation was the tipping point for No 10, which the Observer understands had been compiling a list of alleged incidents involving Fallon since claims against him were first made.

Merrick’s account offers a corrective to the suggestion that Fallon was forced out because of his alleged comments to Leadsom. Rather, it seems a pattern of allegedly unacceptable behaviour over the course of many years was the real reason for his spectacular fall. Leadsom told No 10 and the whips’ office about Fallon’s alleged comments early last week. However, the Observer understands she insisted on anonymity and did not want to make a formal complaint. When her allegations leaked, fingers were pointed at the former chief whip, Gavin Williamson, who replaced Fallon. Williamson’s office has denied that he had any role in the leak.

 

[EYEisBloke]

Pie gets it.

 

[elbows]

We had that argument during the expenses scandal, didn't we.

Yes and I don't remember it convincing many people. Not that the sight of the old guard putting their feet in their mouths in salute of some long lost era of power usually does.

 

[elbows]

Jo Brand and swathes of the audience get it. Well at least one of many it's on offer is covered here.

Jo Brand silences all-male panel on Have I Got News for You – video

 

[Wilf]

Pie gets it.

No, I think he misses the point. We or indeed people I've heard away from urban are not doing any such conflating. Whoever drew up the list has done the conflating - it reflects the morality of the political insider, whether it be some kind of guido type creature or party insider, the idea that things can be reduced down to leverage. FWIW, I think there are roughly 3 sorts of things on the list(s): things that amount to at actual or close to sexual assault/things that might be problematic in a work relationship of massive power disparities and few HR type reporting systems/things that are irrelevant or are there merely for political blackmail potential. Most people are well able to see those distinctions.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Eh?



Condemning anyone who be low enough to send a woman a rape threat fits perfectly with the type of politics I'm after. I think the bigger question is why you would have a problem with that?

Please go back and re-read my questions; they're quite clear. If you didn't actually mean to type that everybody knows 'Corbyn supporting 'brocalists'...are the very worst type of misogynists', then that is your problem not mine.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Pickman's model]

Sir Roger Gale warns of the slippery slope to come, the bollock.



This is not a witch hunt, says Harman

Right. So they're bright, decent and sensible now?

 

[bimble]

the bollock.

This is such a good insult.

I wonder if there's any connection between all this coming out everywhere now (following the fall of Weinstein it seems) and the fact that a man who proudly bragged about grabbing women by the pussy got elected president.

 

[EYEisBloke]

Please go back and re-read my questions; they're quite clear. If you didn't actually mean to type everybody knows 'Corbyn supporting 'brocalists'...knows, are the very worst type of misogynists', then that is your problem not mine.

If I understood your question I would have answered it but I didn't, so I didn't. Is that why you didn't answer my question?

As it happens, I have to make a slight correction to my earlier post...so apologies for that. Having re-read the relevant cuttings I don't think it's accurate to say that the rape threats are being exclusively sent by 'brocalists', only that it is heavily implied that the very vast majority of them are.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you haven't read the dogs abuse that i got earlier for expressing an opinion so... to clarify the 'everybody knows' comment is slightly facetious and is a reference to Jess Phillips' personal hierarchy of misogynists: Labour MP Jess Phillips gets 600 rape threats in one day | Daily Mail Online

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you haven't read the dogs abuse that i got earlier for expressing an opinion so... to clarify the 'everybody knows' comment is slightly facetious and is a reference to Jess Phillips' personal hierarchy of misogynists: Labour MP Jess Phillips gets 600 rape threats in one day | Daily Mail Online

You are nicholas parsons and I demand my £5

 

[J Ed]

If I understood your question I would have answered it but I didn't, so I didn't. Is that why you didn't answer my question?

As it happens, I have to make a slight correction to my earlier post...so apologies for that. Having re-read the relevant cuttings I don't think it's accurate to say that the rape threats are being exclusively sent by 'brocalists', only that it is heavily implied that the very vast majority of them are.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you haven't read the dogs abuse that i got earlier for expressing an opinion so... to clarify the 'everybody knows' comment is slightly facetious and is a reference to Jess Phillips' personal hierarchy of misogynists: Labour MP Jess Phillips gets 600 rape threats in one day | Daily Mail Online

Not the thread for either a discussion of the weaponisation of misogyny on the left, plenty of discussion of that on here elsewhere in the past and I'm sure there will be plenty more, or your own personal bleating.

 

[EYEisBloke]

Not the thread for either a discussion of the weaponisation of misogyny on the left, plenty of discussion of that on here elsewhere in the past and I'm sure there will be plenty more, or your own personal bleating.

Baa.

 

[belboid]

If I understood your question I would have answered it but I didn't, so I didn't. Is that why you didn't answer my question?

As it happens, I have to make a slight correction to my earlier post...so apologies for that. Having re-read the relevant cuttings I don't think it's accurate to say that the rape threats are being exclusively sent by 'brocalists', only that it is heavily implied that the very vast majority of them are.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you haven't read the dogs abuse that i got earlier for expressing an opinion so... to clarify the 'everybody knows' comment is slightly facetious and is a reference to Jess Phillips' personal hierarchy of misogynists: Labour MP Jess Phillips gets 600 rape threats in one day | Daily Mail Online

Why are you obsessed with this (non) issue? Even if your claims were true, is it really the most important issue? More important than the rapes and assaults that are undoubtedly going on?

 

[bimble]

If anything of any value might come out of this it'd be because people manage to resist trying to turn it into a labour v tory or left v right issue, which it clearly is not.

 

[EYEisBloke]

Why are you obsessed with this (non) issue? Even if your claims were true, is it really the most important issue? More important than the rapes and assaults that are undoubtedly going on?

Why do you think 100's of labour members sending MPs rape threats is a 'non issue'? Does it only count when Tories do it?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Why do you think 100's of labour members sending MPs rape threats is a 'non issue'? Does it only count when Tories do it?

No one has said it's a non issue; indeed J Ed has pointed out that this has been discussed here at length and will be again. You seem to be working on the assumption that this is a Labour forum. It's not. There are many places you could go and have the argument you seem to want (Corbynista misogynists do exist), but this really isn't one of them. Why not spend some time having a good dig into these boards, and then when you've got a much more informed and nuanced handle on what this little backwater of the internet is all about, come back and have a go at really engaging? You might even learn something.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Wilf]

This is such a good insult.