belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I’m talking about your denial of the fact she received such abuse, you dishonest PoS
Westminster sexual abuse scandals
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EYEisBloke
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Thanks, that's probably fair advice under the circumstances. A few years back I hung around for an excellent thread on the peadophille allegations that were swirling round parliament and was v impressed / informed by the quality of contributions. That's the thing that inspired me to see what U75's take on the current shenanigans was.
I can appreciate that regulars may feel like a 'newbie' contribution may already have been done to death but from my perspective my point about MP's who are prepared to knowingly grossly exaggerate abuse claims for political purposes is entirely relevant to this thread, as is the very recent claim about a female MP being subjected to over 600 rape threats in one night after criticizing the behaviour of some men in her party.
And even if for some reason it wasn't, I wouldn't describe some of the comments and insults thrown at me as especially 'nuanced'.
But again, appreciate the advice - I'll have a look around and see if it helps convince me there's any point hanging around.
EYEisBloke
New Member
Sorry if you feel I've been dishonest in some way (?!). To clarify, you were quoting my post about the very recent claim about a female MP being subjected to over 600 rape threats in one night after criticizing the behaviour of some men in her party - my response is in that context.
My views about the validity of such claims had been done to death earlier in this thread and I accept that you / pretty much everyone else don't agree with me and / or don't believe it matters whether it's one threat or hundreds in a night on at least four separate occasions, over the last three years, involving three very distinct groups of attackers who all have ideological differences with the Member of Parliament they are very publicly threatening to rape.
And that's fine.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Right. So they're bright, decent and sensible now?
Reality is that they're not even half-bright, half-decent or half-sensible.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Pfft. Parsons has much more sang-froid.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Why are you quoting your male parent?
elbows
Well-Known Member
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Hitchens in berk-a shock.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
manages to blame the sixties and the decline of marriage and formal courtship as well. Might as well ding all the bells.
elbows
Well-Known Member
This is such a good insult.
I wonder if there's any connection between all this coming out everywhere now (following the fall of Weinstein it seems) and the fact that a man who proudly bragged about grabbing women by the pussy got elected president.
Thanks, it was in part inspired by a Nathan Barley line, something like 'lets chop some sense into this bollock'.
Not that I would even bother attempting that with Peter Hitchens, a man apparently untouched by the progress made during many hundreds of orbits round the sun.
As for the Trump stuff, I think momentum had been building already for some years but would be surprised if that shit hadn't accelerated things stateside.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Daniel Poulter, Tory former minister, accused of putting hand up MPs’ skirts
Minister denies computer porn allegations
Some updates. Interesting that Poulter was reported by a male Tory MP and he claims whips weren't interested at all.
Minister denies computer porn allegations
Some updates. Interesting that Poulter was reported by a male Tory MP and he claims whips weren't interested at all.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Oh and the article mentions a male Tory MP who is accused of sexual assaulting a Labour MP but not been named yet.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
The Green one is interesting - given that its a fairly easy thing to prove or disprove, Green hasn't denied porn being on there ("the police have never suggested to me that improper material was found on my parliamentary computer" is how he worded it) and Quick will be in front of a Commons committee imminently.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
The whole internecine nature of 'self regulation' is beautifully in play in this bit of reporting. Amber Rudd announcing there's no place for this in politics, confirming a cabinet office inquiry into Damien Green and that it will look into his computer porn sideline - all line in the sand, let's sweep it out stuff - but then defending the fucking whips office where she worked:
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I noted the slightly convoluted wording too, particularly:
The underlined bit is certainly open to the interpretation that there was material but that it may not have been hard core and/or pornographic.
Green didn't go as far as saying 'there was nothing of any sort, this is complete invention and I would ask the police to confirm that is the case - even if that means breaching the normal confidentiality practices that surround police investigations'.
I won't pretend to have a handle on what's going on in terms of the poker playing and bluffing Green is probably involved in, mainly because I can't remember the details of the raid on his office. However it does look like a final ploy to save his career and invites a leak from the Met, that there were 'materials' of some kind. If it is that, it's almost certainly a failed strategy, he certainly looks a bit friendless today. Probably resign or be suspended within 24 hours.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Is it acceptable/ legal for the copper to come out with that claim against Green? IIRC no charges were brought against him and if the porn wasn’t illegal has this ex-cop breached some trust/law?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Not 100% sure on this, but Quick seems to have only made the porn claim now, at the point where green was accused of sex pesting, saying he wants to speak to the Cabinet Office inquiry. At one level it's probably just the final stage in his (Quick's) battle with Green over the fallout of the raid on Green's office. But as he can claim this is just to provide evidence to the Cabinet Office and some time after he left the police, he gets a pass. His motives are not necessarily good, but he hasn't done anything wrong administratively (assuming of course that the porn thing is true).
What is this cunt doing here?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
any place of work that has an IT policy (and they should have one) would have breaching said policy with grot a matter for disciplinary process. Literally gross misconduct
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
mind you the rules and regs of parliamentarians seems to run different to the real world
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Assuming it was legal porn, the answer must be no. Seem to remember Danczuk implying he cracked one off at work. As DC said, MPs are much less regulated than any other workplace, to the point where they are not actually employees - and seem to employ their own staff as something akin to servants (something that is a dimension of the wider abuse story itself).
All that aside, don't feel I'm being overly sanctimonious or vanilla to think I'd rather not have the honourable member using his publicly funded internet/computer to, ahem, stimulate his own member. *
edit: * fwiw, I admit that might sound a bit dailymailish. But my objections are more along the lines of office staff and cleaners having to see or deal with the results of wanking members. I rather doubt that MPs are used to 'cleaning up'.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Doesn't really matter now - if Green had just said "Yeah, what of it?" it might but now he's denying it so if it's true he's a liar.
Don't as rule think masterbating at work should be criminalised but I'm cool with it being criminalised for MP's.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
If we were to have some sort of theoretical discussion about the liberated workplace of the future, I imagine we might be okay with people having a bit of erm... me time at work. But unless you are a lighthouse keeper, the chances of fellow workers being
BemusedbyLife
Well-Known Member
I don't know if Parliament has one but any properly configured firewall would block porn sites anyway, ours does along with facebook and twitter and any other distractions (not Urban though). Following a big virus incident a year ago the IT helpdesk randomly recalls laptops for scanning, I do 1 week in 4 on the helpdesk and I fairly regularly find porn on scanned laptops (which every single culprit has denied responsibility for, so I certainly wouldn't believe Green)
It gets reported up the management chain since it's company property even if the porno wasn't viewed at work, but as far as I know no action has ever been taken unless someone is having a quiet word, but some folks have got caught more than once.
Never seen anything truly dodgy though, all I've ever found are naked ladies. I suspect that if anything illegal was found there would be real consequences (hope so at least), There is one manager who is seriously homophobic and we have a pool (stll unclaimed) going for the first person to find gay porn on his laptop.
It gets reported up the management chain since it's company property even if the porno wasn't viewed at work, but as far as I know no action has ever been taken unless someone is having a quiet word, but some folks have got caught more than once.
Never seen anything truly dodgy though, all I've ever found are naked ladies. I suspect that if anything illegal was found there would be real consequences (hope so at least), There is one manager who is seriously homophobic and we have a pool (stll unclaimed) going for the first person to find gay porn on his laptop.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
If he was still an officer then it would probably be gross misconduct and a job-losing offence, even if it was true. As he is retired / has quit then the only legal concerns he would have is if it is a libel or not.
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