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BBC presenter Huw Edwards suspended over paying for sexual pics.

According to this article, he was a bit bored of ordinary porn


I find the self pity in this article disgusting to be honest

Found it interesting that they asked him if he had ever been on the dark web and then arrested him right away.

Afaik there is nothing illegal about accessing the dark web.
 
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If these images were on WhatsApp then presumably he either sent or received them from another person so I'd expect at least one other arrest? Or could it be sharing pics with the victim?

Presumably Edwards will get a similar sentence if he is of previous good character.
 
Agree. Chucking them all in the disgusted bin doesn't really move things forward in any useful way. This is not about defending them or making excuses for them, just trying to gain an understanding of what drives them.
Yeeeeears ago, when I was living in a squat, lots of us used one of our squatmate's laptops to go on the internet. Sometimes, there was a bit of a queue to use it. One day, it was my turn, after Squatmate X.

I can't remember exactly how things transpired, but iirc while using the laptop I closed a tab that I wanted/needed, so I went into 'history' to reopen a tab, and iirc saw search terms along the lines of 'pre-teen bikini', which freaked me out a bit.

So I challenged Squatmate X, the guy who'd used the laptop just before me, and iirc he said something like he thought they were "beautiful". I wondered if he might be on a bit of a slippery slope to noncery, but I was concerned about what else he might've been searching for/looking at. The squatmate whose laptop it was worked in schools, and other squatmates who also used the laptop were youth workers and a nurse, basically the kind of people who have to have CRB/DBS checks for work. I did tell the person whose laptop it was. They were horrified, as their mobile/data account was registered to their parents' address, and (one of/both?) their parents worked for a children's charity. Although at some point, someone who was a bit geeky had cracked the WiFi of someone in the building next door, so if anything really dodgy had been accessed, it potentially could've come down on the head of a completely innocent total random too.

I was especially worried, because our squat was a squatted social centre, a commercial building that we opened to the public, ran workshops and events, and sometimes kids passed through. I'd actually phoned Childline or the NSPCC from a phone box, to ask for advice, and iirc they were saying that just because someone has been looking at questionable/relatively innocent images online, that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to do anything irl. It's all very vague now, because it was years ago, but iirc, I think at a 'house meeting' I voiced the opinion that I didn't think he should be living/present in a squat that was open to the public/kids, given his attraction/appreciation of how 'beautiful' pre-teen children are. So he went to stay with a sort of sister/brother squat crew. In a park keeper's cottage, in a park. Which I was a bit wtf!? about. Argh!

Tbh, the guy gave me the heebie jeebies more generally. He was a bit of a hippy, apparently used to go to Rainbow Gatherings, which worried me, because I heard about naturism/nakedness there and families, and wondered about him potentially interacting with/having access there to families/kids who were potentially naked.

But in a more immediate/local sense was always seducing women with bullshit about the moon/lunar shit, he came across as kind of timid nice guy (but was actually sleazy). He was very manipulative/seductive. He ended up being sort of ostracised and moving back to his mum's in Wales.

I didn't want anything to do with him. Anything even nonce-adjacent was crossing a line for me. (I'm a care leaver, albeit I was only physically abused by my father but while in care I knew kids who'd been psychologically and emotionally fucked up by sexual abuse.) But my squatmates assured me that they would pass on details about a support/therapy service, iirc run by Tavistock Centre, for people who have those kinds of predilections. Whether there was any follow through or not, I'm not sure.

To him, saying he found pre-teens in bikinis "beautiful" was sufficient explanation.
 
So almost certainly discovered while investigating the original matter last year, as that probably meant seizing devices.
it seems not. the Met investigation into the Sun's allegations (the original matter) were closed July 2023.

according to the Guardian article linked above, it was 4 months after later that
The Metropolitan police have confirmed that their investigation into Edwards began in November after they were passed information by South Wales police. The Welsh force, as part of their investigation into Williams, found he had forwarded indecent images of children to the BBC presenter.
 
A mural of former BBC newsreader Huw Edwards has been removed after he admitted having indecent images of children.

The artwork, unveiled in 2023, was part of a bigger mural in the presenter's home village of Llangennech, Carmarthenshire.

Artist Steve Jenkins, 50, painted over the portrait on Tuesday after it was announced Edwards had been charged with three counts of making indecent images of children.

"It's such a shame to have to do it but charges like that are disgraceful," he said.
 
Joking aside, it would be interesting (from an understanding and rehabilitative angle) if there were honest testimonies from offenders as to what drove them and compels them.

Something that could be of use in preventing further abuse and exploitation of young people.
I doubt they know and honest testimonies from them would likely not shed any more light on why.
 
I doubt he'll go to jail. Pete Townshend's still walking the streets. I'm surprised his lawyers didn't use the 'Townshend Defence' here really.
 
I doubt he'll go to jail. Pete Townshend's still walking the streets. I'm surprised his lawyers didn't use the 'Townshend Defence' here really.
I think a difference here is that Townsend had no images on his computer, and the site he’d paid to access couldn’t be proven to involve CSA. Not excusing Townsend, but Edwards did have images on his phone.
 
I think a difference here is that Townsend had no images on his computer, and the site he’d paid to access couldn’t be prove to involve CSA. Not excusing Townsend, but Edwards did have images on his phone.

That, and the fact that Townshend never ended-up in court anyway, he accepted a caution.
 
Edwards was seen wheeling a suitcase into court so he must have been warned he may get a custodial sentence.

I'd be surprised if he did though.
 
Edwards is in far more shit than Townshend.

Edwards had definitely downloaded and stored loads of pictures of kids being sexually abused to wank over.

Townshend only probably did.
 
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This does raise a few questions in my mind.
It surely cannot be a crime to be sent certain images. If it is, then everyone with an email account is vulnerable to being set up by peole of ill-will.
 
did he pay in advance or was it blackmail ?
EDIT:- apparently in advance - yes very lenient sentence.
Imagine being an apparently intelligent man and in the media and not dealing appropriately with urges like that ...
 
This does raise a few questions in my mind.
It surely cannot be a crime to be sent certain images. If it is, then everyone with an email account is vulnerable to being set up by peole of ill-will.

The accepted thing is if you receive a dodgy image you should delete it ASAP (of course a copy will exist somewhere in your puter, but it can be shown you deleted it) and ask the person to never send you anything ever again/leave the chat/group. If you do that you'll be OK. Child porn is one, you are possibly more likely to receive bestial smut though, a lot of people don't realise that's on a par with child porn in the eyes of the law.
 
I doubt any in my SPAM folder are actually "illegal" - or even more than just phishing links...
Surely Gmail should be clever enough to block them altogether...

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According to this article, he was a bit bored of ordinary porn


I find the self pity in this article disgusting to be honest
Jesus wept, the complacent me-me-me bollocks from both of them. He is especially repellent but her lack of interest in the actual victims, and concomitant lack of revulsion with him, is just bizarre.
 
I think the answer to my question is that the crime is downloading the images to your machine.

And “downloading” in this context just means viewing it. You don’t have to save it to your machine to be guilty of “downloading” imagery.
 
The accepted thing is if you receive a dodgy image you should delete it ASAP (of course a copy will exist somewhere in your puter, but it can be shown you deleted it) and ask the person to never send you anything ever again/leave the chat/group. If you do that you'll be OK. Child porn is one, you are possibly more likely to receive bestial smut though, a lot of people don't realise that's on a par with child porn in the eyes of the law.
Agree but let's call it what it is- child abuse. Not porn.
 
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