Westminster sexual abuse scandals

[EYEisBloke]

I'm not a Jess Phillips fan but I've no doubt she does receive a huge amount of horrible shit as well - any woman that puts her head over the parapet will do. I think it's important to remember that and in the context of this thread particularly I think putting scare quotes around 'rape threats' is very suspect tbh.

The reason I used 'scare quotes' is because there were no rape threats.

Buy a copy of Jess Phillips' biography if you don't believe me.

 

[EYEisBloke]

check this prick's post history before bothering to engage huh.

Please stop engaging with me, it's not really adding anything to the discussion.

 

[EYEisBloke]

I imagine it's useful in the circles she moves in to claim Oxbridge and hope no-one looks too closely, bit like Katie Hopkins and Sandhurst.

Do you mean Ben Clarke?

Hopkins did actually go to Sandhurst.

 

[EYEisBloke]

Any journalist willing to shine a light in the DUP's darkest corners would be richly rewarded for their endeavoors by the rich vein of their dodgy behaviour to number of MPs ratio

Or sinn fein for that matter.

 

[Pickman's model]

The reason I used 'scare quotes' is because there were no rape threats.

Buy a copy of Jess Phillips' biography if you don't believe me.

Do the contents then flow by osmosis?

 

[newbie]

I agree with this. chief whip is responsible for conduct and discipline of PLP. She could have done so much more - it's a bit rich, her parking all the blame on Corbyn now

Ms Etemadzadeh does not appear to share your view, she's quoted as saying

"I myself tweeted to Jeremy Corbyn about this incident during the cabinet reshuffle. I told him that he shouldn't demote Rosie Winterton because she stood by me when I reported an MP for misbehaviour.

 

[bimble]

The reason I used 'scare quotes' is because there were no rape threats.

Buy a copy of Jess Phillips' biography if you don't believe me.

This is a helpful article clarifying what happened on twitter that day. Including that she never claimed to have received '600 rape threats'.
I set out to troll her — why all this fuss about 600 rape tweets?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Blame the woman. The revolution must be protected.

Oh give over.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Interesting contrast of the two headlines there

Not much love for Leadsom from the Mail. Is that odd given she's a clear Brexiter or does the Mail not care much about Brexit really?

 

[mauvais]

Ms Etemadzadeh does not appear to share your view, she's quoted as saying

I've no idea about the rights and wrongs of this case, but tweeting something at Jeremy Corbyn doesn't seem like a recipe for being heard.

 

[killer b]

I've no idea about the rights and wrongs of this case, but tweeting something at Jeremy Corbyn doesn't seem like a recipe for being heard.

I don't think newbie was giving that as evidence that Corbyn knew, but that the victim had been satisfied with Winterton's actions after the complaint.

 

[EYEisBloke]

Do the contents then flow by osmosis?

Eh?

 

[J Ed]

The reason I used 'scare quotes' is because there were no rape threats.

Buy a copy of Jess Phillips' biography if you don't believe me.

I have literally seen rape threats made to her on twitter. You are wrong.

 

[killer b]

Anyway, I think it's fairly clear how this happens. Each party only has at best a few hundred MPs, which isn't actually that many to fill the various ministerial roles that need filling. The kind of people who want to become MPs are narcissists and psychopaths for the most part, and once you've excluded the obvious headbangers, the ideological enemies, the total incompetents and the comprehensively educated, you've literally just got the sex offenders left to choose from. Little surprise that up till now they've been given the jobs and the leaders have crossed their fingers and hoped for the best.

 

[EYEisBloke]

This is a helpful article clarifying what happened on twitter that day. Including that she never claimed to have received '600 rape threats'.
I set out to troll her — why all this fuss about 600 rape tweets?

Thanks. Yes it sets out a fair bit of context. It's probably fair to say that on that occasion she never claimed to have received 'rape threats' but she still wanted to see a self employed father of two locked up over the incident. Also she's made other extremely disingenuous claims about 'rape threats' (scare quotes my emphasis) and despite not claiming to have received the '600' discussed in the Times article she still wrote an article in the Torygraph claiming she got thousands!: By ignoring the thousands of rape threats sent to me, Twitter is colluding with my abusers

There have been four in total over the last three years. I posted a link to a short video about them but the mods deemed it to be 'inappropriate content' for some reason.

 

[Kaka Tim]

. The kind of people who want to become MPs are narcissists and psychopaths for the most part.

really? im sure some of them are, im sure such types are over represented - but most of them? How many mps have you actually met on which to base this?

 

[EYEisBloke]

I have literally seen rape threats made to her on twitter. You are wrong.

I don't want to appear to be a total dick but I'd really appreciate it if you could sign post me to your evidence. Twitter is very open source and searchable and I've researched this quite closely but have yet to see one.

 

[J Ed]

I don't want to appear to be a total dick but I'd really appreciate it if you could sign post me to your evidence. Twitter is very open source and searchable and I've researched this quite closely but have yet to see one.

I'm not going to trawl twitter for that, I've literally seen them and there are articles in mainstream newspapers talking about them and that's good enough for me.

 

[bimble]

Why are you so interested in this Eye Is Bloke. Do you feel that the hardworking misogynist trolls of twitter are being unfairly maligned in general or is specifically about this woman in particular?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I don't want to appear to be a total dick but I'd really appreciate it if you could sign post me to your evidence. Twitter is very open source and searchable and I've researched this quite closely but have yet to see one.

I'd say the impression you're giving is leaning more towards 'creepy weirdo' tbh.

 

[Pickman's model]

Eh?

Usually you need to read a book to access the information within, but I would be very interested in a book whose contents flowed into your mind on purchase. Think of all the time that could be saved

 

[killer b]

really? im sure some of them are, im sure such types are over represented - but most of them? How many mps have you actually met on which to base this?

hey tim, you know how sometimes people will obviously exaggerate something for comedic / rhetorical effect?

 

[EYEisBloke]

I'm not going to trawl twitter for that, I've literally seen them and there are articles in mainstream newspapers talking about them and that's good enough for me.

And yet the only examples she gives in her book aren't rape threats, none of the numerous mainstream newspaper articles you are retreating to as sufficient evidence provide examples, despite all the sensational headlines the police have never investigated, she has never reported any to the police and as i say twitter is a very searchable:
rape to:jessphillips - Twitter Search

 

[newbie]

I don't think newbie was giving that as evidence that Corbyn knew, but that the victim had been satisfied with Winterton's actions after the complaint.

indeed, so attempts to deflect from Corbyn to Winterton are unlikely to be effective. But then politics is a murky business, and that isn't suspended because of the seriousness of some of the allegations. The Times/Mail headlines are one aspect of that.

In trying to find where I read that quote from Ms Etemadzadeh I looked at her twitter feed. She's a heavy duty Remainer with a background of retweeting the likes of Blair and Ali Campbell. Winterton was apparently very involved in choosing the shadow cabinet that subsequently resigned en mass, that's why she was sacked. There are political sides evident here.

Hopkins was a member of the Socialist Campaign Group, along with Corbyn, McDonnel & Abbott. Winterton appears much closer to Progress.

So while Streathamite (and I) would prefer to politically take aim at Winterton, I'm guessing that Ms Etemadzadeh would prefer to undermine Corbyn, iyswim. No idea to what extent that is a factor in this story, this week.

 

[EYEisBloke]

Why are you so interested in this Eye Is Bloke. Do you feel that the hardworking misogynist trolls of twitter are being unfairly maligned in general or is specifically about this woman in particular?

No and no.

Presumably I'm interested in it for similar reasons to you participating in this thread. More specifically I'm interested in it because I'm pro democracy and anti- censorship

 

[killer b]

indeed, so attempts to deflect from Corbyn to Winterton are unlikely to be effective. But then politics is a murky business, and that isn't suspended because of the seriousness of some of the allegations. The Times/Mail headlines are one aspect of that.

In trying to find where I read that quote from Ms Etemadzadeh I looked at her twitter feed. She's a heavy duty Remainer with a background of retweeting the likes of Blair and Ali Campbell. Winterton was apparently very involved in choosing the shadow cabinet that subsequently resigned en mass, that's why she was sacked. There are political sides evident here.

Hopkins was a member of the Socialist Campaign Group, along with Corbyn, McDonnel & Abbott. Winterton appears much closer to Progress.

So while Streathamite (and I) would prefer to politically take aim at Winterton, I'm guessing that Ms Etemadzadeh would prefer to undermine Corbyn, iyswim. No idea to what extent that is a factor in this story, this week.

Yeah - I think being aware of our own biases as well as those of the various people involved in the stories is crucial right now.

 

[Kaka Tim]

hey tim, you know how sometimes people will obviously exaggerate something for comedic / rhetorical effect?

Obviously. But i dont like this constant depiction of mps as a breed apart, uniquely venal, sociopathic, incompetent, corrupt etc etc. Certainly they mostly come from privileged backgrounds but most of them are smart, driven, ambitious and are generally very good communicators (the days of some gout riddled tory oaf being gifted a safe seat in the shires by birthright are over) . Some are driven - for better or worse - by ideology. Yes you can throw ego and narcissism in there - but that is the nature of what happens to people when they are in positions of power. The point is that it is the system that creates the environment in which normal people end up behaving in abnormal - and abusive - ways.

 

[mojo pixy]

Yeah I think pretending that abusive behaviour is only perpetrated by "abusive individuals" is a big mistake. Abuse is done by normal people every day. It's done by people that are seen beyond their targets as "nice people", "good people", colleagues, friends, family members.

 

[killer b]

I'm not pretending any such thing ta.

 

[Pickman's model]

Too right, SG is utterly beautiful, I don't want it ruined by dreadful people in boiler suits who break wind in the halls of the mighty....

It's ok, they're only expected to be there a month or so. Naturalists have been consulted, including David Attenborough, who tell me that they will be welcomed with open mouths arms by sections of the local fauna