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So you will soon let us know why you think that?

Why I think what? Why I think the woman on the radio is contradicting everything PK said? Because she is I suppose - check iPlayer and listen yourself, it's fairly obvious.

e2a: Mind you, you'll need to find it first, was only on a compilation show thing, didn't hear when the first broadcast was.
 
Why I think what? Why I think the woman on the radio is contradicting everything PK said? Because she is I suppose - check iPlayer and listen yourself, it's fairly obvious.

e2a: Mind you, you'll need to find it first, was only on a compilation show thing, didn't hear when the first broadcast was.

I think it's this one starting at 1:45?

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If it is it's Helen Brayley from UCL's Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science,
 
Seems illogical to dismiss her finding purely because "she's just one cop", even though she clearly has the support of the country behind her.

It's OK, you can refuse to discuss it - maybe pretend I didn't post this at all, it never happened - perhaps it's just too difficult a topic for you to discuss.

The reason for dismissing the finding is that it refers to only 41 rapes over three years that are given a separate definition that isn't explained. It's a tiny fraction of the rapes in Oslo. You've also posted reports showing over a hundred rapes in the city in a single year. This shows that even back in 1987 a single rape crisis centre in Oslo was dealing with over 50 violent rapes by strangers. So the figure of 41 assault rapes (or attack rapes) over three years is dubious at best.

I want to see some reason why that particular set of rapes are different from all the others. Failing that I can't help but wonder if the actual reason they are separated out is that they are the ones commited by immigrants. Because they certainly aren't the grand total of violent rapes by strangers in Oslo over those three years, or all the other statistics are faked.

Now it could be that this one particular statistic is correct and every other statistic published about crime in Norway has, for some reason, been altered. I'd want to see a pretty fucking convincing explanation before believing that though.

You have also studiously avoided any attempt to counter the point that the rate of rapes in the North of Norway, where there is almost no immigration, is higher than the rate in Oslo.

And that's my final post on the subject. From here on any comment you make claiming that your opponents have refused to discuss it, or have failed to post any evidence, simply makes it clear that you are an outright liar.
 
The comparison with Christianity is instructive, though, isn't it?

For instance, I have changed my mind about Sharia courts being allowed in the UK. Until recently, I didn't see the harm in it, given that it would be absolutely no different from the Jewish courts that already exist.

But then I had a think about why those Jewish courts exist, and it is for the same reason that Christian courts exist in Egypt. There was a time when British law was indeed Christian in its very nature, and so allowing Jewish courts for family law was a sign of a tolerant Christian state, just as allowing Christian courts is a sign of a tolerant Islamic state.

Now, in all but its purely symbolic forms, the UK is a secular state, so the reason for Jewish courts to exist is no longer valid. Rather than allowing Sharia courts, I would argue instead for completing the job of fully secularising the state and getting rid of the Jewish court, ridding the UK of the final vestiges of past Christian notions of supremacy.

That other religions have notions of supremacy isn't a reason not to say that Islam has too.

It's a dumb argument. No religious court has any legal validity in the UK unless all parties agree to it. That means that if those involved in a dispute want it settled by Jedi law, a zen buddhist court, or according to the toss of a coin, then they have every right to settle their dispute that way. That's how the Jewish courts operate, and the only way in which Sharia can be applied in the UK. It basically just means that the state stays out of it if people want to settle a dispute on their own.
 
It's a dumb argument. No religious court has any legal validity in the UK unless all parties agree to it. That means that if those involved in a dispute want it settled by Jedi law, a zen buddhist court, or according to the toss of a coin, then they have every right to settle their dispute that way. That's how the Jewish courts operate, and the only way in which Sharia can be applied in the UK. It basically just means that the state stays out of it if people want to settle a dispute on their own.

Oh no it doesn't. That's a misunderstanding of the legal status of Jewish courts. You try telling a UK court you settled your estate at a Buddhist hearing, or a humanist tribunal. See how long it takes the judge to stop laughing.

Jewish courts have a recognised standing in the UK legal system. A subordinate position, but a position nonetheless. Sharia courts don't at the moment. And the reasons for having such religious courts is as I stated – there are no Christian equivalents because in the past, the main court was taken to be the Christian one. Fully secularising the state will do away with the need for any such subordinate minority courts. A secular court is for all.
 
'If it is it's Helen Brayley from UCL's Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science,'

The thing is I'm increasingly wary of academic research these days, much of it now has an agenda or is funded directly by interested parties, look at the IPPR which is regulalry used by the Guardian in its ongoing support for multi-culturalism, the IPPR is a neo-liberal thinktank and uses evidence to support its agenda largely on grounds of economic utility, etc.
 
I don't quite agree about Islam 'preexisting those individuals who enter into it', though... I would resist the idea that it is meaningful to talk about Islam as anything with an independent existence beyond what Muslims do.

Hi, Littlebabyjesus.

I meant that anyone today who is born into or converts into Islam is entering a pre-existing collective organization. The new entrant is not simply assenting to a few doctrinal statements which he or she might, with as much intellectual ease, revise the next moment. He or she is entering an organization which has a dynamic and inertia of its own. If the new entrant later comes to disagree with the doctrinal statements, s/he cannot necessarily change those statements. In all probability, s/he will have to leave the organization (where such does not carry the death penalty).

You wrote that you “would resist the idea that it is meaningful to talk about Islam as anything with an independent existence beyond what Muslims do”.

But an individual Muslim does confront and experience Islam as something possessing independent existence from him or herself. Indeed, all Muslims (as individuals) confront and experience Islam as something possessing independent existence from themselves. And to that extent, it is legitimate to investigate what this independent thing is, its laws of motion, etc. (Same, of course, goes for any other collective organization.)
 
Of course the individual believer experiences their faith as existing independently from them – it wouldn't be a religion otherwise.

That doesn't mean non-believers should agree with them.

I don't think we're disagreeing about anything important here, though.
 
He's definitely a cock.

Anyone who reads your posts knows that you're not a "wet Stalinist liberal".

They know you're a "wet pseudo-Stalinist liberal. :)


Careful, I called him a Styrofoam, Stannah Stairlift Stalinist once.

I was hounded around the boards for weeks :D
 
Careful, I called him a Styrofoam, Stannah Stairlift Stalinist once.

I was hounded around the boards for weeks :D

Yeah, but it's not like even his hounding is any cop nowadays, it's just an endless vista of single sentence posts pr pictures of irrelevant objects. Now, if it were vintage ern, I might be bothered...:)
 
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