Weasel Straw strikes again (Pakistani men in Britain see white girls as "easy meat")

[pk]

Which statistics?

The ones that have been posted throughout this thread.

Again - for the benefit of non-thread readers...

An investigation by The Times into the sexual exploitation of girls has shown an overwhelming number of cases of seduction and serial rape of underage girls carried out by Muslim men of Pakistani origin in the North of England and the Midlands.

The Times identified 17 court prosecutions since 1997 involving the on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16 by groups of men - 14 of them were during the past three years, including a teenager from Rochdale who was treated as a ‘sex slave’ by nine men.

The victims came from 13 towns and cities and in each case two or more men were convicted of offences.

In total, 56 people, with an average age of 28, were found guilty of crimes including rape, child abduction, indecent assault and sex with a child.

Three of the 56 were white, 53 were Asian. Of those, 50 were Muslim and a majority were members of the British Pakistani community.

The Times reports that several police sources say the convictions only represent a small proportion of what one detective described as a “tidal wave” of offending that has been uncovered in Yorkshire, Lancashire, Greater Manchester and some Midlands counties.

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/51308/calls-for-action-over-sex-gangs

 

[pk]

Brilliant. Whereas coke and rape are a-ok. Have you ever met a working class british muslim lad? Doesn't sound like it.

Coke and rape, yeah. Because you can see that happening openly in every street. Just like popping down the pub innit? :ROLLEYES:

 

[rover07]

As much as non-Muslims? And how do you know they are practising Muslims? Doesn't sound like the people you describe above are...

I worked as a taxi-driver in Birmingham for 10 years. Many of the muslim drivers i knew drank, smoked weed and had white girlfriends. Some were married and had second 'wives' who they had met while dating English women.

Some even went to Friday prayers.

On arranged marriages, it always seemed to me that they were less hung up about sex than the white or black drivers as they knew that one day they would be getting married. So the pressure was off to mate!

 

[Proper Tidy]

Coke and rape, yeah. Because you can see that happening openly in every street. Just like popping down the pub innit? :ROLLEYES:

According to you, these young men do these things because it is tolerated in 'their culture', whereas they don't drink because it isn't tolerated. So, you gonna have that cake or eat it?

 

[smokedout]

Where's your evidence of this?
Are you suggesting non-muslim gangs roam the streets looking to pimp out 12 years olds to their mates?

Can you back this assertion up?? I doubt it.

so where on earth do you think the sex industry comes from, are you now claiming that only young muslim men in northern cities are involved in pimping or underage sex

 

[pk]

According to you, these young men do these things because it is tolerated in 'their culture', whereas they don't drink because it isn't tolerated. So, you gonna have that cake or eat it?

What are you dribbling about now?

The blatant subjugation of women is all too often a part of their culture. Where were all the rapists wives when all this was going on?

I've never said rape or coke was tolerated in their culture - you're making up shit again because you have fuck all to say of any real consequence.

It's a common theme with you I see.

 

[pk]

so where on earth do you think the sex industry comes from, are you now claiming that only young muslim men in northern cities are involved in pimping or underage sex

You would know better than me. I've made no such claims.

 

[smokedout]

but would you acknowledge at least that the vast majority of the sex industry is not run by northern pakistani chancers

 

[pk]

but would you acknowledge at least that the vast majority of the sex industry is not run by northern pakistani chancers

The Bradford sex industry? I'd say overwhelmingly that is was run by northern pakistani chancers. I'm prepared to be proven wrong, i.e. with proof.

So you have these pimps with £50,000 cars all blinged up, and the lads without jobs want a piece of that action, but they can't just set up on the corners or they'd be beaten up - so they groom 12 year olds instead.

And the chances are they pick up the vulnerable non-muslims because of a sense that infidels can be defiled without as much remorse, and also because the girls are not muslims, the community will perhaps look the other way if they are discovered in a way they would not be able to were the victims muslim.

That's my speculation, but it isn't a massive leap of logic.

 

[Proper Tidy]

What are you dribbling about now?

The blatant subjugation of women is all too often a part of their culture. Where were all the rapists wives when all this was going on?

I've never said rape or coke was tolerated in their culture - you're making up shit again because you have fuck all to say of any real consequence.

It's a common theme with you I see.

Fuck me you're thick. Why do you think they are faithful adherents to Islam or their 'culture' when it comes to not drinking and being nonces, but they're not faithful adherents to Islam or their 'culture' when they do loads of gack?

 

[pk]

Fuck me you're thick. Why do you think they are faithful adherents to Islam or their 'culture' when it comes to not drinking and being nonces, but they're not faithful adherents to Islam or their 'culture' when they do loads of gack?

Fuck me you're a lying cunt.

Keep inventing shit I never said, you're clearly not worth debating this with anyway... plenty of people here with half a fucking brain even if they disagree with me.

You could give me an example of a mainstream religion more barbaric than islam, y'know, like you asked of me. But you won't.

 

[DrRingDing]

The Bradford sex industry? I'd say overwhelmingly that is was run by northern pakistani chancers. I'm prepared to be proven wrong, i.e. with proof.

So you have these pimps with £50,000 cars all blinged up, and the lads without jobs want a piece of that action, but they can't just set up on the corners or they'd be beaten up - so they groom 12 year olds instead.

And the chances are they pick up the vulnerable non-muslims because of a sense that infidels can be defiled without as much remorse, and also because the girls are not muslims, the community will perhaps look the other way if they are discovered in a way they would not be able to were the victims muslim.

That's my speculation, but it isn't a massive leap of logic.

We'll be the judge of that.

 

[DrRingDing]

You could give me an example of a mainstream religion more barbaric than islam, y'know, like you asked of me. But you won't.

Most of them can be described as 'barbaric'.

 

[ernestolynch]

Epic thread lol. And people ask me why anarchostalinists like me hate Trots so much lol.

 

[ernestolynch]

Quakers are hardly barbarians.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Fuck me you're a lying cunt.

Keep inventing shit I never said, you're clearly not worth debating this with anyway... plenty of people here with half a fucking brain even if they disagree with me.

No, this is all stuff you've said. Don't make me go back and quote you and make you look like a dick again, like last night.

You could give me an example of a mainstream religion more barbaric than islam, y'know, like you asked of me. But you won't.

I've already answered you, you frothing-mouthed loon.

All religions are barbaric. Islam as a doctrine is no more barbaric than any other. You are completely unable to distinguish between a religious doctrine and political interpretations of religion. You thick fuck.

How about you answer this:

Why is it Islam's fault when repressive regimes call themselves Islamic, but it isn't Christianity's fault when repressive regimes call themselves Christian? Why, pk, why?

Does the existence of violent secular organisations prove that secularism is inherently violent?

 

[pk]

We'll be the judge of that.

But you hate islam.

 

[smokedout]

The Bradford sex industry? I'd say overwhelmingly that is was run by northern pakistani chancers. I'm prepared to be proven wrong, i.e. with proof.

your assertion, your job to provide proof

And the chances are they pick up the vulnerable non-muslims because of a sense that infidels can be defiled without as much remorse, and also because the girls are not muslims, the community will perhaps look the other way if they are discovered in a way they would not be able to were the victims muslim.

quite the opposite is considered true

according to a study by the NSPCC

In Gilligan et al (2006), respondents to a questionnaire about awareness of sexual abuse in Asian communities felt that people were aware of child sexual abuse, but that it was often ‘taboo’ or ‘hidden’, that people were unwilling to discuss it

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/inform/research/questions/sexual_abuse_in_bme_communities_wda70518.html


incidentally from the CPS

For child sexual abuse cases where ethnicity was recorded, there was a higher percentage of White defendants and lower percentages of Black and Asian defendants compared with the population.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/equality/vaw/vaw_strategy_annex_b.html#a02

 

[pk]

No, this is all stuff you've said. Don't make me go back and quote you and make you look like a dick again, like last night.

Was that whilst you were asleep, dreaming?

Yeah - I think you're now inventing shit.

So go back and find where I said raping children is a part of muslim culture.

It'll keep you occupied until you dribble up yet more bullshit.

 

[Proper Tidy]

So go back and find where I said raping children is a part of muslim culture.

Okay

Seems to be a common trait in cities all over Europe. Bulwark of mainstream belief? If you follow the example of the prophet to the letter then I guess it could be considered so.

 

[smokedout]

The ones that have been posted throughout this thread.

Again - for the benefit of non-thread readers...

An investigation by The Times into the sexual exploitation of girls has shown an overwhelming number of cases of seduction and serial rape of underage girls carried out by Muslim men of Pakistani origin in the North of England and the Midlands.

interesting what the actual authors of that study said

But Brayley and Cockbaine, whose six-month study was cited as evidence, said they were worried that limited data had been extended "to characterise an entire crime type, in particular of race and gender". They challenged claims that white girls were deliberately sought out by offenders. "Though the majority … were white so too were the majority of local inhabitants." Comparing the percentage of white people in the areas with black and ethnic minorities, their data, they said, showed "black and ethnic minority girls over-represented among the victims".

They added: "This challenges the view that white girls are sought out by offenders, suggesting instead that convenience and accessibility may be the prime drivers for those looking for new victims."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/jan/06/child-sex-trafficking-racial-stereotyping

 

[Lock&Light]

Okay

"Could be considered" seems fair to me.

 

[Proper Tidy]

interesting what the actual authors of that study said



http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/jan/06/child-sex-trafficking-racial-stereotyping

But this can't be true, pk assures us this is sexual jihad.

"Though the majority … were white so too were the majority of local inhabitants." Comparing the percentage of white people in the areas with black and ethnic minorities, their data, they said, showed "black and ethnic minority girls over-represented among the victims".

Oh.

 

[pk]

Okay

Well he did have a bit of a track record...

Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) married her when she was six years old, and he consummated her in marriage when she was nine years old. Then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Khadijah died three years before the Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) departed to Madina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.

Urwa narrated: The Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years.

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

(of course this was all when anglo saxon raping and pillaging was going on, it was the mode of the time I guess, but since he is seen as the perfect man and certainly a role model for the devout followers, it may have been a throwaway flippant comment but it has some resonance)

 

[Proper Tidy]

You are genuinely a nut

 

[smokedout]

so the only piece of evidence youve repeatedly referred to appears to show the opposite of what you were claiming pk

 

[Treacle Toes]

Well he did have a bit of a track record...

Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) married her when she was six years old, and he consummated her in marriage when she was nine years old. Then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Khadijah died three years before the Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) departed to Madina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.

Urwa narrated: The Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years.

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

(of course this was all when anglo saxon raping and pillaging was going on, it was the mode of the time I guess, but since he is seen as the perfect man and certainly a role model for the devout followers, it may have been a throwaway flippant comment but it has some resonance)

I say, pk.....when was the Qu'ran written?

I ask because when I read the Bible, old testament especially, as I recall and it spoke of people living to be more than two hundred years old, it got me thinking about how the counting of 'time' was obviously different when it was written. What do you think?

 

[pk]

I say, pk.....when was the Qu'ran written?

I ask because when I read the Bible, old testament especially, as I recall and it spoke of people living to be more than two hundred years old, it got me thinking about how the counting of 'time' was obviously different when it was written. What do you think?

No idea... though the mention of "dolls" is telling.

 

[Proper Tidy]

What's the difference?

 

[Thimble Queen]

so the only piece of evidence youve repeatedly referred to appears to show the opposite of what you were claiming pk

This