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Vigil- BBC crime/ thriller miniseries

kebabking said:
I've not seen it, but it drives the fish and bubble heads up the wall, so it's funny.

It's revenge for Our Girl and Soldier Soldier.

I'm thinking about writing a series based on the RAF Regiment having emotional breakdowns because 16 Air Assault Brigade got the Kabul job, and not the 'big three' formation that's specifically there to, err... take and secure airfields in contested environments.

Laugh? I fucking soiled myself.
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I did want to ask why the RAF regiment didn’t get the whole gig. For a civi looking in it did seem odd that their moment seemed to have come but I didn’t see them on the telly.
 
A380 said:
did want to ask why the RAF regiment didn’t get the whole gig. For a civi looking in it did seem odd that their moment seemed to have come but I didn’t see them on the telly.
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A couple of them went, but nothing in big picture terms - I think the RAF Police might have sent more...

They've gone absolutely postal over it - apparently one of the Sqns had about half their people send a snotty letter to the Chief of the Air Staff asking why the RAF didn't use them and accusing him of ignoring them because Paras look better, and being happy to sacrifice them.

The problem they've got is that their aren't nearly enough of them held at any kind of readiness to be able to pull of a job like that - they could probably do 200 at 24 hours and another 100 at 72 - but 2PARA did 600 at 12 hours, with another 100 from 3PARA, and 2 YORKS did 150 at 6 hours another 50 at 24 from Cyprus, and they could easily have hit 600 in 24. That's well over the entire RAF Regiment strength. they are, imv, pretty irrelevant in operational terms, as well - obviously - as being big-timing, body-armour brassing up, cunts....

5 Miler of Death my tits.
 
On a different subject, am I right to say that fishing ships have actually been lost as a result of a submarine sailing into their nets? I’m sure I remember reading about a suspected case a few years ago…
 
T & P said:
On a different subject, am I right to say that fishing ships have actually been lost as a result of a submarine sailing into their nets? I’m sure I remember reading about a suspected case a few years ago…
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My son (who was in the navy) says this is impossible because they’ve got sonar and know everything around them for miles.

He’s also been chuntering on about how the coxon is wearing the old pale blue shirt and how the commander shouldn’t be called ‘captain’.

I think it’s a bloody brilliant series. So excited to watch the next episode! Can’t actually watch it live though. Pah.
 
T & P said:
On a different subject, am I right to say that fishing ships have actually been lost as a result of a submarine sailing into their nets? I’m sure I remember reading about a suspected case a few years ago…
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AV Antares

The Sinking of FV Antares | British Sea Fishing

In November 1990 the pelagic trawler Antares sank in the Firth of Clyde with all four crew members on board all losing their lives. The loss of the vessel was immensely controversial as it emerged that the Antares was sunk when its nets became tangled with a Royal Navy nuclear submarine.
britishseafishing.co.uk
 
T & P said:
On a different subject, am I right to say that fishing ships have actually been lost as a result of a submarine sailing into their nets? I’m sure I remember reading about a suspected case a few years ago…
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Antares sunk a trawler in 1990. Vanguard hit a french ship in 2010 and the crew of the Vigilant were done for being a bunch of coked up pissheads in 2017. Can’t remember which boat it was where someone ran amok with a gun.
 
belboid said:
Antares sunk a trawler in 1990. Vanguard hit a french ship in 2010 and the crew of the Vigilant were done for being a bunch of coked up pissheads in 2017. Can’t remember which boat it was where someone ran amok with a gun.
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www.theguardian.com

Navy sailor gets life sentence for deadly gun rampage

Able Seaman Ryan Donovan, who murdered an officer on a submarine, had been fascinated with violent video games
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
T & P said:
On a different subject, am I right to say that fishing ships have actually been lost as a result of a submarine sailing into their nets? I’m sure I remember reading about a suspected case a few years ago…
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Yeah i read the other day about a real life incident with a fishing ship caught by a sub. Also the sailors getting drunk offshore was simalar to a real life incident.
 
moomoo said:
My son (who was in the navy) says this is impossible because they’ve got sonar and know everything around them for miles.

He’s also been chuntering on about how the coxon is wearing the old pale blue shirt and how the commander shouldn’t be called ‘captain’.

I think it’s a bloody brilliant series. So excited to watch the next episode! Can’t actually watch it live though. Pah.
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Ask your son about the sub that left port in Scotland and crashed straight into an island :D
 
She (Leslie) used her real voice in her game of thrones audition. All them north of wall types should've had made in chelsea mouthful of marbles accents.
 
T & P said:
On a different subject, am I right to say that fishing ships have actually been lost as a result of a submarine sailing into their nets? I’m sure I remember reading about a suspected case a few years ago…
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As do we like any sensible nation.

However, given the ‘Mericans service and maintain ‘our’ trident missiles ( except for the physics packages / buckets of sunshine) and de gauss our submarines and for several years either they or the Europeans have had to provide maritime surveillance aircraft to get the bombers into and out of the patrol areas because we didn’t have the aircraft, they probably don’t need to follow us about…
 
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Whilst we’re on this (most interesting) subject of fact checking real life aboard submarines, when were mixed gender crews first approved?

Don’t get me wrong, I am delighted to see that the UK Navy has become enlightened enough not to view the mere presence of female sailors in a sub as a potentially dangerous element. I had just assumed it was a male-only environment.
A380 said:
As do we like any sensible nation.

However, given the ‘Mericans service and maintain ‘our’ trident missiles ( except for the physics packages / buckets of sunshine) and de gauss our submarines and for several years either they or the Europeans have had to provide maritime surveillance aircraft to get the bombers into and out of the patrol areas because we didn’t have the aircraft, they probably don’t need to follow us about…
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I would understand the US shadowing UK subs if they actually anticipated the need to take them out in the foreseeable future to prevent a UK attack on the US, but that is so extraordinarily unlikely (even if not impossible of course) you would imagine their subs, however many they might have, could be better employed on hundreds of other missions monitoring dozens of other countries’ submarines, rather than the least country on Earth likely to become a hostile?

In any case, either the US has the technology to detect foreign subs or it doesn’t. If it does, why bother wasting a sub stalking an allied sub rather than a potential hostile?
 
T & P said:
I think the idea was to entrap her pursuers when her police colleagues arrived and block the car park exit, but when the boys in blue pathetically failed to show up when they said they would and she realised she was now trapped on the rooftop herself, for a few minutes at least, she thought there was nothing to lose by confronting them. At the end of the day, her car wouldn’t have been bulletproof so if they were assassins she was fucked regardless.

What I thought was far more of a plot hole was that she drove into the car park after being told was several minutes late. If you think someone’s out to kill you but they letting you drive around indefinitely, bloody drive to the nearest police station, or even the nearest hotel and run into the lobby. Don’t trap yourself and hope you can survive the next five minutes alone with your would-be killers without even a gun for company.

I also thought having the keys to a nuclear submarine’s gun closet unguarded and within easy reach of any crew member rather careless.
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Not worked on a nuclear submarine, but imagine that as a working environment if you think you need a permanent guard on the key cupboard you are probably crewing/ manging it wrong
 
T & P said:
Whilst we’re on this (most interesting) subject of fact checking real life aboard submarines, when were mixed gender crews first approved?

Don’t get me wrong, I am delighted to see that the UK Navy has become enlightened enough not to view the mere presence of female sailors in a sub as a potentially dangerous element. I had just assumed it was a male-only environment.

I would understand the US shadowing UK subs if they actually anticipated the need to take them out in the foreseeable future to prevent a UK attack on the US, but that is so extraordinarily unlikely (even if not impossible of course) you would imagine their subs, however many they might have, could be better employed on hundreds of other missions monitoring dozens of other countries’ submarines, rather than the least country on Earth likely to become a hostile?

In any case, either the US has the technology to detect foreign subs or it doesn’t. If it does, why bother wasting a sub stalking an allied sub rather than a potential hostile?
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Probably should have mentioned the Bromide
 
T & P said:
Whilst we’re on this (most interesting) subject of fact checking real life aboard submarines, when were mixed gender crews first approved?

Don’t get me wrong, I am delighted to see that the UK Navy has become enlightened enough not to view the mere presence of female sailors in a sub as a potentially dangerous element. I had just assumed it was a male-only environment.

I would understand the US shadowing UK subs if they actually anticipated the need to take them out in the foreseeable future to prevent a UK attack on the US, but that is so extraordinarily unlikely (even if not impossible of course) you would imagine their subs, however many they might have, could be better employed on hundreds of other missions monitoring dozens of other countries’ submarines, rather than the least country on Earth likely to become a hostile?

In any case, either the US has the technology to detect foreign subs or it doesn’t. If it does, why bother wasting a sub stalking an allied sub rather than a potential hostile?
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2014 was when the first women qualified as submariners. 2017 was the first disciplinary case for a (heterosexual) affair aboard a British Trident submarine…
 
T & P said:
Whilst we’re on this (most interesting) subject of fact checking real life aboard submarines, when were mixed gender crews first approved?

Don’t get me wrong, I am delighted to see that the UK Navy has become enlightened enough not to view the mere presence of female sailors in a sub as a potentially dangerous element. I had just assumed it was a male-only environment.

I would understand the US shadowing UK subs if they actually anticipated the need to take them out in the foreseeable future to prevent a UK attack on the US, but that is so extraordinarily unlikely (even if not impossible of course) you would imagine their subs, however many they might have, could be better employed on hundreds of other missions monitoring dozens of other countries’ submarines, rather than the least country on Earth likely to become a hostile?

In any case, either the US has the technology to detect foreign subs or it doesn’t. If it does, why bother wasting a sub stalking an allied sub rather than a potential hostile?
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If the R.A.F or R.N. did track and record the finger prints of any U.S.N. submarine ( and I’m not saying that they did) they did it purely “to eliminate them from any further enquiries”.
 
Purely hypothetical.

You’re sitting in a Nimrod monitoring a sonobuoy field that you laid some hours earlier somewhere between Greenland and the Faroe Islands. You’ve been sitting there all night waiting for something to happen, trying to keep your concentration going. One hour until off-task time. Then gradually a big Russian nuclear missile submarine creeps into the north of your field. Positive signature, track and speed estimated. But you don’t send a ‘contact in’ report back to base. Stay passive. Ivan might be listening.

Then you detect the faint trace of a second boat trailing the Russian. They sometimes use a big boomer or a surface vessel to conceal the passage of a new boat on its way to it’s loiter area off the west coast of the UK, the east coast of the USA, or down into the Mediterranean.

If you can identify the stranger as a UK or US hunter/killer you stay silent. If not, you’ve got to tell someone, immediately. You’ve got to be sure to be able to recognise your friends.
 
I've just started this and it seems right up my street or at least I think it is but I can't be sure as I can only make out about 70% of what's being said.

Am I old, tired or do I just need to turn it up?? Or are they mumbling fucks who are generally talking too fast?

Think I'll put the bloody subtitles on.
 
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