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Geri said:
After some...er 'robust' debate overnight, the organisers are now claiming that Beeley is no longer speaking, due to 'other commitments'. One down, two to go!

What makes me laugh is that they demanded 'evidence of my libellous claims' but when I provided them with the evidence, they just delete the whole thread.

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'Other commitments' that didn't exist at 6pm last night when they were still defending her talking at the event.

The more i think about this the worse it gets - an event set up to celebrate an attempted peoples uprising against an authoritarian state invites not one but three people to talk about why people should never attempt to rise up against authoritarian states and if they do why the murder of half a million people, the displacement and exile of 6 million, starvation and sieges, torture rape and murder in the states dungeons is totally justified and needs to be supported. It's like having an event on Vietnam but casting the US as justified heroes. Or the french state murder of 30 000 people after the Paris Commune. Sick.
 
Just how far down does this stuff go on the left now where this can happen unquestioned at thing like the Uprising Festival of all places? They boast a broad range of people involved in organising and funding it - i can't believe that they simply booked people from an agency with no prior knowledge about these people and their views and activities given who they have had on before (Murray, Galloway). Everywhere we turn we're having to fight and confront these people right now. And if people think this has nothing do with the anti-semitism stuff in the wider labour/left movement, they're wrong.
 
Geri said:
After some...er 'robust' debate overnight, the organisers are now claiming that Beeley is no longer speaking, due to 'other commitments'. One down, two to go!

What makes me laugh is that they demanded 'evidence of my libellous claims' but when I provided them with the evidence, they just delete the whole thread.

Unfortunately did not have time to screenshot it.
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Henningsen probably believes that Soros was behind the Merthyr Rising.


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^^ From OCCUPY: Mindless Americans Falling Prey to ‘New Revolution Business’ and Collectivist Trap?

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And so on.


In addition to all the other shitpies he has his fingers in, he writes for Dugin endorsed loon rag New Dawn magazine.

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Well the organiser is a stalinist-creative. What a lovely future this crossover portends.

What would be the local paper for Merthyr?
 
So still scheduled to speak then? I can't imagine Michael Sheen being best pleased to find he is appearing at an event with Beeley et al.
 
Here's Mckinney's mate(he mentions her in the video) and partner in the #unrig campaign promoting the blood libel on Alex Jones.

 
copliker said:
Not speaking. She says she pulled out 10 days ago. However, she is a proven monumental liar. She was scheduled to appear at Merthyr on the 26th and Leeds on the 27th.
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Could she just be saying she's pulled out until the fuss has died down?
 
A number of contacts of mine in the anti-fracking movement going ballistic about the Leeds conference cancellation, when I had not previously pegged them as red-brown sympathisers. Mind, anti fracking movement is unstructured and this gives undue prominence and influence to the likes of conspiraloon entrepreneur Ian R Crane who is currently hosting Henningsen at his expensive “Alternative View” conference. Beeley and Henningsen both spoke at Crane’s 2016 event.
 
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Jeremiah18.17 said:
A number of contacts of mine in the anti-fracking movement going ballistic about the Leeds conference cancellation, when I had not previously pegged them as red-brown sympathisers. Mind, anti fracking movement is unstructured and this gives undue prominence and influence to the likes of conspiraloon entrepreneur Ian R Crane who is currently hosting Henningsen at his expensive “Alternative View” conference. Beeley and Henningsen both spoke at Crane’s 2016 event.
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Got anything from these anti-frackers showing that?
 
LynnDoyleCooper said:
Got anything from these anti-frackers showing that?
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Nah, not without naming names. I still live in hope of persuading them of the error of their ways. Though, given that as usual with those going down the conspiraloon rabbit hole I was accused of being a gullible state tool for just mildly challenging conspiraloon interpretations of both the Skirpal affair and the Syria situation, it might be hard. The penetration of red-brown and conspiracist thinking amongst the anti -frackers, the greens, the left and everyone from new age/alternative types to ordinary “apolitical” internet browsing working class individuals in UK is both depressing and concerning. The question for me is how to challenge these ideas within oppositional movements without being seen as a wrecker or disrupter of “unity” in “broad based” movements? Main tactic at moment is to focus on most obvious examples of far right links and conspiraloonery and message views privately to those being sucked in.
 
Jeremiah18.17 said:
A number of contacts of mine in the anti-fracking movement going ballistic about the Leeds conference cancellation, when I had not previously pegged them as red-brown sympathisers. Mind, anti fracking movement is unstructured and this gives undue prominence and influence to the likes of conspiraloon entrepreneur Ian R Crane who is currently hosting Henningsen at his expensive “Alternative View” conference.
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Crane mentioned in post #14.

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I'm sure Chris Spivey has been mentioned on here.
 
copliker said:
Crane mentioned in post #14.

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I'm sure Chris Spivey has been mentioned on here.
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Thanks, yes I looked back over the thread after posting about Henningsens latest appearance at Crane’s event. Lots of useful info. I knew Crane was a dodgy conspiraloon who hosts climate change deniers and 9-11 Troofers, but the run down on some of his attendees earlier in this thread is useful.
 
To give an idea of the calibre of activists being sucked into this conspialoon/Assadist worldview, two examples from the left of the anti-fracking movement. One individual I have challenged posting Assadist propaganda is a union steward in manufacturing, ex miner, ex SWP and anti fracking activist who has been a stalwart of the left in these parts for decades. Another, who has gone overboard on both the Skirpal affair and the Beeley Leeds Meeting is a respected published writer on left and environmental issues who has been a key activist in the regional anti fracking movement.

This is not to mention the routine sharing of Crane’s “Video Diaries” on a whole swathe of local anti fracking groups’ FB pages. The point being, that while focusing on fracking (he has recently been embedded in one of the anti fracking camps, and his money from working in the oil industry, plus his lucrative conspiracy events, publishing, videos etc presumably funds this) the video diaries slide in his conspiracist views on a whole swathe of topics.

It was relatively easy to isolate an anti Semitic conspiraloon woman active in anti fracking in the North West. Separating Crane from his witting or unwitting support base will be considerably more difficult.
 
Good to see these sort of articles coming thick and fast now.

The Red-Brown “zombie plague”: how fascist ideas are becoming popular on the Left – PART ONE

When I wrote “Against Conservative Leftism” just over two years ago, I considered it disturbing that socialists would rally to support New Zealand’s colonial-era flag. If I was disturbed then, there are no words left to describe how to feel in an era when committed revolutionary activists – people who have an honourable track record of struggle in favour of a classless society and against all oppression – are happy to argue that the recent chemical warfare attacks against rebel-held towns in Syria are a “false flag”, something faked by the US state or its allies to justify an invasion. Even one of my favourite musicians has recently repeated such baseless slander from the concert stage.
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So, what is behind the enthusiasm of the Western activist Left for these denialist narratives? The argument that I wish to make in this article is as follows:

  1. the growing willingness of Left activists to believe ideologically-convenient conspiracy theory over well-supported reporting is part of a growing convergence of Leftist and far–rightrhetoric, in particular around the ongoing war in Syria. While – with some exceptions to be discussed – Leftists do not openly or consciously align themselves with fascists, many increasingly accept ideas that are disquietingly close to fascist narratives. The idea of a politics which unifies Leftists and fascists has historically been known by many names, including Strasserism, Third Position or Querfront (German for “cross-front”). In this article I will use the well-established term red–brown; brown taken from the Nazi “brownshirts” (stormtroopers).
  2. This “Red-Brown” convergence is based on a political misrecognition of neoliberal globalism as a conspiracy of the US and other Western countries for global domination, rather than a strategy adopted by the global capitalist class as a whole. This has led the Left into an “anti-imperialism” which is in fact nationalism under another name; which leads to programmaticunity with fascists who support authoritarian “ethno-states”.
  3. This is a problem which cuts across the “revolutionary/reformist” division on the Left. A strong base of this thinking is found in the revitalised “Marxist-Leninist” (ML) trend on the Internet, but the acceptance of nationalism, traditionalism and anti-rationalism which I have previously called “conservative leftism” has a long history in both the social-democratic and Communist traditions on the Left, including the support base of British Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.
  4. This convergence is encouraged by the propaganda/intelligence branches of the Russian state, for its own geopolitical reasons. But it is also perpetuated by an unwillingness for socialists (who have lived through decades of isolations) to struggle among themselves over political line; or, worse, a more-or-less conscious rejection of international solidarity in favour of keeping the biggest “broad front” at home. Finally, there is a small contingent of people associated with the Left who have discarded anti-fascist principle and now actively support a Querfront (with the Russian state, the US “alt-right” and even the Trump administration) against neoliberal globalism. While this explicit alliance makes up a minority of the left, it must be actively fought.’
 
How come so much Henningsen/Beeley site content appears on the charming "Jew World Order" site. http://www. jew worldorder.org/?s=sunday+wire&x=0&y=0

edit: It's run by this guy, possibly an associate of aforementioned anti-semite Max Igan. From an Australian report on antisemitism.

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