US House passes Obama's key healthcare reform

[littlebabyjesus]

I'd distribute all the wealth out evenly to the citizens.

How?

 

[dilute micro]

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Harlan stated that it was a dangerous precedent in ruling income taxes unconstitutional- it could open society to social unrest.

Both sides in Pollock v. Farmers' Loan and Trust Co. feared that unrest if they didn't prevail. And both couldn't agree on the definition of a direct tax as written in the Constitution. What did become apparent, according to Harlan, was that a constitutional amendment allowing income taxes would be needed. That was for the future- the Sixteenth Amendment.

this

 

[dilute micro]

How?

Oh come on, you know that's not easy.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Oh come on, you know that's not easy.

What would be your first step along that road from where we are now?

 

[sleaterkinney]

Harlan stated that it was a dangerous precedent in ruling income taxes unconstitutional- it could open society to social unrest.

They found the whole act unconstitutional because it contained a direct tax, property tax. It didn't rule that all income was direct, if it did or you could show that you might have a point...

 

[dilute micro]

What would be your first step along that road from where we are now?

Hell if I know. I just know putting these irresponsible people in charge from here on out is not the best thing to do.

 

[Superdupastupor]

Your income is your property.

"Money ain't got no owners, only spenders"
.......Omar, The Wire


man I feel so 2008

 

[dilute micro]

They found the whole act unconstitutional because it contained a direct tax, property tax. It didn't rule that all income was direct, if it did or you could show that you might have a point...

Yes I know. Your income is your property though.

 

[ymu]

Yes I know. Your income is your property though.

And of course, the people with the highest incomes and the greatest freedoms all come from countries with zero income tax. Oh, wait ...

How "free" you are to make money depends on the economic infrastructure you are operating within. Those in rich countries with expensive and complex infrastructures are able to make more money than those in countries without. Those that derive the most benefit from the infrastructure get to pay the most for its upkeep.

Pretty basic stuff.

 

[dilute micro]

And of course, the people with the highest incomes and the greatest freedoms all come from countries with zero income tax. Oh, wait ...

How "free" you are to make money depends on the economic infrastructure you are operating within. Those in rich countries with expensive and complex infrastructures are able to make more money than those in countries without. Those that derive the most benefit from the infrastructure get to pay the most for its upkeep.

Pretty basic stuff.

Unless you're ideologically opposed to that from the start because once you allow uneven taxation then you're allowing the government to target segments of the population and impose the political will of whoever is in charge. We've done this many times and just as often it resulted in violent rebellion and rightfully so.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I can't remember that movie. What does that mean?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I'd distribute all the wealth out evenly to the citizens.

Commie.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I can't remember that movie. What does that mean?

You can't actually kill a gremlin.

 

[dilute micro]

You can't actually kill a gremlin.

Gremlin meet 80 ton hydraulic press.

 

[TAE]

That's hilarious!

 

[butchersapron]

Large Companies dumping employees health care coverage

Internal documents recently reviewed by Fortune, originally requested by Congress, show what the bill's critics predicted, and what its champions dreaded: many large companies are examining a course that was heretofore unthinkable, dumping the health care coverage they provide to their workers in exchange for paying penalty fees to the government.

Basically the fine is cheaper than complying. Handily represented in this image:

 

[frogwoman]

Cunts.

 

[XR75]

It would of been better to sort out their medicare mess instead of going down this healthcare route.

 

[butchersapron]

As predicted the Obama administration is using these 'reforms' to attack (or rather, to facilitate attacks on) Medicaid:

WASHINGTON — Medicaid recipients and health care providers cannot sue state officials to challenge cuts in Medicaid payments, even if such cuts compromise access to health care for poor people, the Obama administration has told the Supreme Court.

 

[butchersapron]

Possibility that the US Supreme Court may strike down the central element of the Affordable Care Act - the mandate element, that is forcing all people without healthcare insurance to purchase it under threat of fines.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

We're screwed no matter what they do as long as health care is tied to for-profit health insurance through your employers. Obamacare, while better than nothing, was just putting off the inevitable.