US House passes Obama's key healthcare reform

[dilute micro]

The interstate highway system was built by the fed. Rural electrification was federal. Going to the moon was federal.

Oh so you think I'm against anything federal?

Going to the moon was Alice. And I'm going to be Ralph.

 

[dilute micro]

They didn't want direct taxes, income tax isn't direct.

No it's direct. Do you want a federal government opinion on what it is?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Oh so you think I'm against anything federal?

Going to the moon was Alice. And I'm going to be Ralph.

You've said in the past that you believe in privatizing most things. (You see, I actually read other peoples posts.) I gave you three examples of things that wouldn't have happened at all without a federal government. There are some things that work better private, and some that work better as a society-wide effort.

 

[dilute micro]

Would you prefer a UK-style free at the point of access, paid for out of general taxation system? If so, I agree, it is hugely preferable to the scheme Obama's introducing.

If not, what would you propose, and how would you pay for it?

You speak of everything so idealy. I bet it's awesome.

I guess the UK system runs like a Swiss watch? Anyway the UK isn't in charge of the US. We're stuck with congressmen that don't even read bills they vote on. Makes you feel safe doesn't it?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yes of course, if you call that education.

You're with the Posse Comitatus, aren't you?

 

[TAE]

That's not giving liberty.

Erm, yes it is, it's giving me the freedom to do something I could not otherwise do.

And that's not federal anyway.

So what? It's paid by taxes.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

We're stuck with congressmen that don't even read bills they vote on.

No, we arn't. We have these things called "elections."

Now, I admit that it's gotten difficult to get an incumbent out of office, but that's largely because corporate contributions are allowed to buy elections.

Didn't you just spend a large amount of time on another thread defending a corporation's "right" to do just that?

 

[dilute micro]

You've said in the past that you believe in privatizing most things. (You see, I actually read other peoples posts.) I gave you three examples of things that wouldn't have happened at all without a federal government. There are some things that work better private, and some that work better as a society-wide effort.

What good were they? Interstates just let non-North Carolinians come here more easily and stay. Electricity just makes people dependent and enslaved to a monopoly. And going to the moon only matters to people that believe it was a hoax.

 

[sleaterkinney]

No it's direct. Do you want a federal government opinion on what it is?

Indirect tax is tax on an event like income so how can it be direct?, Direct tax is tax on a thing like head or property taxes

 

[dilute micro]

No, we arn't. We have these things called "elections."

Now, I admit that it's gotten difficult to get an incumbent out of office, but that is largely because corporate contributions are allowed to buy elections.

Didn't you just spend a large amount of time on another thread defending a corporation's "right" to do just that?

Oh I forgot. You're the believer.

Sure thing, lets just send Mr Smith to Washington. We'll all send our Mr Smiths to Washington.

 

[TAE]

What good were they? Interstates just let non-North Carolinians come here more easily and stay. Electricity just makes people dependent and enslaved to a monopoly. And going to the moon only matters to people that believe it was a hoax.

LOL, I'm gonna stop debating with you now.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

What good were they? Interstates just let non-North Carolinians come here more easily and stay. Electricity just makes people dependent and enslaved to a monopoly. And going to the moon only matters to people that believe it was a hoax.

So you're arguing against the liberty of non-Carolinians do come and go freely. You're against the electrical power you're using to post here and you don't think we ever went to the moon?

Dude, seriously! It's just too funny.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You speak of everything so idealy. I bet it's awesome.

I guess the UK system runs like a Swiss watch? Anyway the UK isn't in charge of the US. We're stuck with congressmen that don't even read bills they vote on. Makes you feel safe doesn't it?

Sure. They went to war when Colin Powell showed them satellite photos of semitrailers hauling Weapons of Mass Destruction.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You speak of everything so idealy. I bet it's awesome.

I guess the UK system runs like a Swiss watch? Anyway the UK isn't in charge of the US. We're stuck with congressmen that don't even read bills they vote on. Makes you feel safe doesn't it?

Of course the UK system isn't ideal, but life expectancy in the UK is higher than the US and the UK's health budget is about half the US's in terms of percentage of GDP. Oh, and every single person is fully covered.

Something's going badly wrong with the US system, yet you cannot propose any alternative, which is rather ridiculous, don't you think. I'm sure the UK system would never be accepted in the US, but a system like the French one – universal health insurance underwritten by the state – easily could.

Your lack of ambition or imagination is slightly sad.

 

[dilute micro]

Indirect tax is tax on an event like income so how can it be direct?, Direct tax is tax on a thing like head or property taxes

Your income is your property.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Of course the UK system isn't ideal, but life expectancy in the UK is higher than the US and the UK's health budget is about half the US's in terms of percentage of GDP. Oh, and every single person is fully covered.

Something's going badly wrong with the US system, yet you cannot propose any alternative, which is rather ridiculous, don't you think. I'm sure the UK system would never be accepted in the US, but a system like the French one – universal health insurance underwritten by the state – easily could.

Your lack of ambition or imagination is slightly sad.

And as far as taxes go, if you add up the average taxes paid in the UK (including health care) and the average taxes paid in the US plus the cost of health insurance--the UK comes out lower.

 

[dilute micro]

So you're arguing against the liberty of non-Carolinians do come and go freely. You're against the electrical power you're using to post here and you don't think we ever went to the moon?

Dude, seriously! It's just too funny.

I didn't say any of that. You said that's what I think.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Your income is your property.

Someone had to pay for those interstates.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

LOL, I'm gonna stop debating with you now.

Yeh, I'm outta here too. I've never seen a poster come completely unhinged. It's like beating a small animal to death--fun at first, but a bit dissastifying in the end.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And as far as taxes go, if you add up the average taxes paid in the UK (including health care) and the average taxes paid in the US plus the cost of health insurance--the UK comes out lower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day#Tax_Freedom_Day_around_the_world

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yeh, I'm outta here too. I've never seen a poster come completely unhinged. It's like beating a small animal to death--fun at first, but a bit dissastifying in the end.

Beating on DM is more like beating a Gremlin. Eventually, the pieces keep coming at you.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Your income is your property.

No, it is money you receive for something. There is always an exchange offered, an event that takes place and that event can be taxed.

 

[dilute micro]

Yeh, I'm outta here too. I've never seen a poster come completely unhinged. It's like beating a small animal to death--fun at first, but a bit dissastifying in the end.

Toodle loo

Have fun beating small animals to death while you're gone.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Come on, dm. You don't like Obama's reforms. What would you do instead?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

No, it is money you receive for something. .

Once you receive it, it's your property. You got it in exchange for something that someone else wanted.

 

[dilute micro]

No, it is money you receive for something. There is always an exchange offered, an event that takes place and that event can be taxed.

http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/income-tax-declared-unconstitutional

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day#Tax_Freedom_Day_around_the_world

That figure for the US, doesn't include the cost of health insurance into it. Where I work, an employee's part of the premium is about a month's pay. My boss spends another $8K as his part of the premium. That is before you've actually used any health care.

 

[dilute micro]

Beating on DM is more like beating a Gremlin. Eventually, the pieces keep coming at you.

I can't remember that movie. What does that mean?

 

[sleaterkinney]

http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/income-tax-declared-unconstitutional

Fuller, again for the majority, wrote that the unconstitutionality of the income tax on real estate scuttled the whole law, despite the possibility of some taxes, like wages, being constitutional

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[dilute micro]

Come on, dm. You don't like Obama's reforms. What would you do instead?

I'd distribute all the wealth out evenly to the citizens.