Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Joe Biden has evidently decided that he's sick of just kissing babies.
Is this creepy, or sweet, or both?
BHO, meanwhile. . .
You'd never see someone doing that to the Queen!
US election 2012
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You'd never see someone doing that to the Queen!
weltweit
Well-Known Member
You'd never see someone doing that to the Queen!
No but she has been innapropriately touched - by an Australian!! No less !!
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
No but she has been innapropriately touched - by an Australian!! No less !!
Well, they are well known for wrestling crocodiles. That seems only sightly less risky than fondling the Queen.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Surprised there is no fuss about Romney dodging the draft and going to Nam - Bush got stick for serving in the National Guard rather than going to Nam, I think Clinton got similar when he was running, before him Bush Senior was in WW2 so didn't get any stick about his war record - Obama is too young to have been drafted.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
What are you saying? that Romney dodged the draft?
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Yep - he went to France for about 3 years as a Mormon Missionary, then went to college gaining an exemption I guess -
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Oh ok. And now he wants to be the "soldier in chief" (whatever) how shameless is that .....
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
I'm all in favour of dodging the draft - I'd have schlepped to Canada but it does seem to be an issue for the yanks - mind you McCain was a war hero, survived prison camps in nam and he didn't get elected.
Ash Mahay
Member
Romney didnt dodge the draft, as he was never drafted. He did have a couple of student deferments but they are standard. When his deferments were over though there was no dodging he just wasnt drafted. There was nothing shonky, no scams or anything it was all normal just as for many others.
He took all the deferments he could get while being pro-war.
http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Romney/Military.php
weltweit
Well-Known Member
So certainly not a hero then.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
If he loved the US so much, he wouldn't have taken a deferment - which is basically dodging
Not at all. He's a chicken hawk. He's been just a patriotic with his money.....stashing it in off shore accounts to avoid taxes.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
The Republicans seem keen attacking Democratic candidate Military records - John Kerry for example, and Bill Clinton, they couldn't attack Gore as he did go to Vietnam, even though he probably could have avoided it like Clinton and Bush with help from his daddy.
Surprised the Democrats haven't said anything about Romney avoiding military service - for Obama it isn't an issue - he is too young to be have been drafted - it maybe the last election where this is an issue - until the Gulf War veterans start running.
Surprised the Democrats haven't said anything about Romney avoiding military service - for Obama it isn't an issue - he is too young to be have been drafted - it maybe the last election where this is an issue - until the Gulf War veterans start running.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
Or that fighting in wars isn't as big a thing as it used to be for Presidential elections.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
That's the first sensible thing you've said all week.
Ash Mahay
Member
S-2 deferments are not draft dodging. Hundreds of thousands of people have had them.
Let me explain. Draft dodging is when youre going to be drafted and you take specific steps to deliberately avoid that draft.
Going to college like millions of other people & then just not being drafted is not dodging which is exactly why its a non-issue in this election.
I dont think theres anyone stupid enough in the Democrat party (& there are a LOT of stupid people in the party) to even try & play the draft dodge card because it just doesnt exist and if anyone did try & call regular S2's draft dodging theyd know they were suddenly calling hundreds of thousands of new people draft dodgers, including thousands who were actually drafted & served & many in their own party.
Its a falsehood to far because it isnt true & smears to many people..
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
He didn't have to become a missionary - that was how he avoided service - that and the college exemption - to be fair I'm sure many were tempted to do the same - it's just curious that this appears to be the first presidentual election on a long time where Military service or experience does not appear to be an issue.
Ash Mahay
Member
Romneys parentage could have got him off too but the fact he didnt go that way kind of negates the slur.
See the reasons Ive given in this thread.
Thats why the Dems are saying little or nothing, its because theres little or nothing to say & if they did say something it would do them more harm than good as it would be a spin to far.
Not enlisting =/= draft dodging
Its quite simple really.
Ash Mahay
Member
The same is true for hundreds of thousands of people and its not draft dodging.
Besides as I mentioned before the deferments were just that deferments. He was eligible for draft outside of those deferments & wasnt drafted.
Thats not dodging things & why it simply hasnt been an issue.
"Your number didnt come up in the draft, therefore youre a coward & a draft dodger" just doesnt stand up as a slur.
Ash Mahay
Member
I think if either candidate had served (or dodged the draft) it would have been just as prominent as in previous elections but with neither serving (or dodging) theres just nothing to say.
The military is still a large & powerful vote so Im sure in 2016, relevant candidates permitting, it will be a talking point again.
There are a names (on both sides) who are being touted for '16 runs who have military backgrounds so it could easily become relevant & 'important' again.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
On what planet? and he does not expect to tax these people at all more .... who then is he going to tax?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
sorry, how many morman missoinaries are there?
eta fuck me, there are apparently over 50,000 full time morman missionaries
tbh I find that pretty amazing / shocking, along with the fact that the person who wants to be president spent 3 years as a morman missionary.
Ash Mahay
Member
& remember other brands of faith are also available.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
He avoided war service - it is very similar to draft dodging -
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Plenty of time between now and the election for Romney to mess up publically.
I suppose all hope to be presidents are god botherers, but Romney is an uber.....
And what is all that about his tax affairs which he won't disclose?
It's customary for pres candidates to release many years of tax returns. His father, George released 12 years. Mit has released most of his 2010 return & says he'll release his 2011 one when it's ready & no more. Says if he releases any more it would give the opposition ammunition.....but he's not hiding anything (!?????).
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I wonder what he is hiding?
Probably more slimy semi legal methods of tax dodging. He's extremely secretive about his finances.
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