Urban75 Album of the Year 1957

[danny la rouge]

Nope. Must have taken it out.

Not sure it would have had the release date anyway, more likely the recording session date.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

So what was the first ever never previously released 'album track'? That was then a single. Or not. Google isn't helping. I'm guessing something upmarket by Sinatra.

Google suggests Woody Guthrie as doing the first ever concept album: Dust Bowl Ballads. They'd be album tracks, I suppose.

 

[belboid]

So what was the first ever never previously released 'album track'? That was then a single. Or not. Google isn't helping. I'm guessing something upmarket by Sinatra.

Google suggests Woody Guthrie as doing the first ever concept album: Dust Bowl Ballads. They'd be album tracks, I suppose.

Everything, pretty much, was an album track before the 45rpm single came along in 1949. Dust Bowl Ballads was an 'album' of 78's.

 

[Lurdan]

Looks like belboid can cross The Coasters & The Cadillacs off the list I sent him

On the plus side, I found The Best of the Cadillacs in the record shop near my work today

Sorry about that Yeah, both compilations. The Coasters album includes a lot of stuff from previous group The Robins. (Great album though).

 

[Lurdan]

Had an irritating time trying to make sense of the six 1957 Sarah Vaughan albums (including two doubles).

Basically 'Wonderful Sarah' and 'Swingin' Easy' are compilations, 'In A Romantic Mood' is another fairly underwhelming grab bag but 50% previously unreleased I think. That leaves the two 'songbook' double albums 'Sings George Gershwin' and 'Great Songs From Hit Shows' and the live album 'At Mr Kelly's'. The 'songbooks' both have Hal Mooney arrangements I don't much care for (didn't much enjoy confirming this) so it's 'At Mr Kelly's' for me.

It's the curse of the box set Aside from the album with Clifford Brown I only have the vaguest sense of how tracks relate to original releases.

 

[danny la rouge]

I didn't think there were any eligible Clifford or Sass releases! Were there? I've already submitted my list. :grr:

This year's too hard to work out.

 

[killer b]

You are doing some sterling work Lurdan. The thread owes you a pint.

 

[sunnysidedown]

You are doing some sterling work Lurdan. The thread owes you a pint.

the lad knows his stuff!

 

[Lurdan]

I didn't think there were any eligible Clifford or Sass releases! Were there? I've already submitted my list. :grr:

This year's too hard to work out.

No Clifford - but yeah ridiculous quantities of Sarah Vaughan, even after weeding out the two and a half compilations. I think Mercury were going into overdrive competing with the Verve songbooks. Dinah Washington also produced one that year. (Also not one of her greatest albums).

 

[killer b]

oh man, I was just listening to Red Garland's 'Soul Junction', thinking that's totally going in, but it turns out it was only recorded in '57.

 

[Lurdan]

Sam Cooke's first album

 

[killer b]

Turned out it was a stronger year than I'd imagined. And had I the opportunity to mine the Prestige catalogue a little more deeply (it was on fire that year...) I might have revised the list. But it'll do for now.

 

[belboid]

Someone else - is Porgy & Bess '57 or '58? I can't decide. It's....mind bogglingly magnificent.

 

[Lurdan]

Someone else - is Porgy & Bess '57 or '58? I can't decide. It's....mind bogglingly magnificent.

According to this Armstrong discography it was recorded in August and October 1957. Billboard review it as a new release on 4th May 1959.

 

[danny la rouge]

Damnit.

 

[killer b]

Damn, we've all got a hole in our top tens then?

 

[andysays]

It wasn't in my top ten, because TBH I've never heard it before.

Remedying that omission now though...

 

[danny la rouge]

Damn, we've all got a hole in our top tens then?

I've not got time to revise my list because I'm setting off on a six out drive just shortly. So I'll have to make do with a top 24. Which is a bit too Imperial a figure for my tastes.

 

[andysays]

Now I have listened to Louis and Ella's Porgy and Bess, and while I can appreciate its quality, it isn't really my cup of tea so it wouldn't have made my personal top ten even if it had been released in 1957.

Not really a fan of "traditional" Big Band + Vocal jazz, so I much prefer the later Miles Davis/Gil Evans version of P&B, even though I wouldn't put that in my top ten for 1959 (maybe top 25 though).

 

[Knotted]

I prefer the operatic version from the movie soundtrack. It's not about the ego of the performers.

 

[Lurdan]

Hmmm, well that turned out to be more challenging than it first seemed I suspect I'll be disagreeing with myself almost immediately.

Ordering them was a bit of a head scratcher. I finished up ranking them roughly within 'genre' and then merging the resulting lists together.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I managed 5, which I submitted late.

 

[belboid]

I managed 5, which I submitted late.

That's okay, I haven't woken up yet

 

[andysays]

That's okay, I haven't woken up yet

If you're going to allow late voting ( ), I'd like to change two of my votes to Miles Davis Birth of the Cool and Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane.

I know one is a compilation of previously released material and one was recorded in 1957 and not released until two years later, but...

 

[ska invita]

re Porgy and Bess grudge match, if we do 1958 next year Miles + Gils Porgy would be my number one without a second thought...something about that record slays me.... think its 58 not 59 btw

 

[Lurdan]

Hilariously after submitting my list I did searches on Billboard in Google books for my jazz choices and discovered that no less than two of them, including my top pick, were actually released in 1958....

 

[andysays]

re Porgy and Bess grudge match, if we do 1958 next year Miles + Gils Porgy would be my number one without a second thought...something about that record slays me.... think its 58 not 59 btw

A Porgy and Bess grudge match thread sounds like a fine idea. There's a long discography here.

According to wiki, the Miles + Gils Porgy was recorded in 1958 but released March 9, 1959

 

[Fozzie Bear]

It does seem like there is way more confusion about what was released in 1957 compared to 67 or 77. Which is surprising in one way because less stuff was released in 57, but I supposed the music industry, press etc was less established?

 

[ska invita]

It does seem like there is way more confusion about what was released in 1957 compared to 67 or 77. Which is surprising in one way because less stuff was released in 57, but I supposed the music industry, press etc was less established?

I think also as the recording date takes on more importance... Some jazz albums coming out 3 or 4 years later...less about studio crafting an album I guess

 

[ska invita]

A Porgy and Bess grudge match thread sounds like a fine idea. There's a long discography here.

According to wiki, the Miles + Gils Porgy was recorded in 1958 but released March 9, 1959

discogs says 58. The internet never lies! March 9 sounds pretty specific.

can't wait for 2024 so we can do my favour jazz year of 1964!