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Unlikely. The words best and bigger were used though.
How's the retirement going? Crown green bowling season about to start and all.
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Unite against Fascism (UAF) has failed (?)
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Unlikely. The words best and bigger were used though.
How's the retirement going? Crown green bowling season about to start and all.
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audiotech
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I said some credence, i,e that the EDL seem to have a problem with the idea of 'militant trade unions'.
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Local people do get involved in these protests. They're not all passive bystanders.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The Black Hand
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Timothy Nice but dim, wrong again, but that has never stopped you before.
Totality in the large Oxford English dictionary, that well used document of STANDARD English says that totality refers to the 'whole of something' - that means the essence dumbo. My use of it was entirely in keeping, my point was correct, and consistent with understandable debate in MASS ENGLISH. YOU, and the others as usual, are reactionary fools, never have beens never will be's, NITPICKING and backing each other up to feel good in an irrelevant kind of way. IT'S PATHETIC.
The only serious question is how long it will be till you lot are overtaken by events and a new mass movement, which IMHO has happened already in part with the emergence of the EDL. You will be wrongfooted further in the future too cos you are off the pace with your old fashioned ultra left perspectives
The Black Hand
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Pointing out that people are doing nothing new and have a track record of FAIL doesn't mean that people have to do it my way.
That is not possible even if it was desireable; people are different, have different perspectives and experiences, connections etc. What we do need is a new open mass movement without illusions and ultra leftism, that seeks to encourage practical support, reciprocal solidarity, and active links in the best open traditions of our movement. This is the way towards a new movement, not dead end 'go it alone' ultra leftism.
That is my position, not 'do things my way' as you reactionarily keep asserting in some pathetic manner.
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The police dictate what the march does and what's it's about is dictated by the material circumstances that leads to the march in the first place.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Timothy Nice but dim, wrong again, but that has never stopped you before.
Totality in the large Oxford English dictionary, that well used document of STANDARD English says that totality refers to the 'whole of something' - that means the essence dumbo. My use of it was entirely in keeping, my point was correct, and consistent with understandable debate in MASS ENGLISH. YOU, and the others as usual, are reactionary fools, never have beens never will be's, NITPICKING and backing each other up to feel good in an irrelevant kind of way. IT'S PATHETIC.
The only serious question is how long it will be till you lot are overtaken by events and a new mass movement, which IMHO has happened already in part with the emergence of the EDL. You will be wrongfooted further in the future too cos you are off the pace with your old fashioned ultra left perspectives
Tedious name-calling bollocks from the king of bullshit.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yet more tedious name-calling bollocks from the king of bullshit.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
This, I believe, is where the whole edifice gets shaky; people curbing their activism because of following police dictates. Someone signs an agreement, and effectively agrees to act as an auxiliary for the old bill.
Partially, but only partially, because a central agenda also has to be met.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Given that the UAF and others of that ilk characterise the BNP as resentful petty-bourgeois types, and the EDL as a BNP off-shoot they must surely view the latter as a modern day Fighting League of the Commercial Middle Classes. It's not though is it?
The Black Hand
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VP wrong again, but that has never stopped you before.
Totality in the large Oxford English dictionary, that well used document of STANDARD English says that totality refers to the 'whole of something' - that means the essence dumbo. My use of it was entirely in keeping, my point was correct, and consistent with understandable debate in MASS ENGLISH. YOU, and the others as usual, are reactionary fools, never have beens never will be's, NITPICKING and backing each other up to feel good in an irrelevant kind of way. IT'S PATHETIC.
The only serious question is how long it will be till you lot are overtaken by events and a new mass movement, which IMHO has happened already in part with the emergence of the EDL. You will be wrongfooted further in the future too cos you are off the pace with your old fashioned ultra left perspectives
Answer the point then VP - you can't cos you would have to confront the fact that you have lapsed into poisonous old leftism that rather than get to better political positions tries to score points at every possible moment. Old left OLd Left!
Here, I have clearly destroyed your arguement as any independent person would say, so you (earlier post -28.3.10 - 17:02) resort to name calling. Ha ha. LOSER!
An OLD ULTRA LEFT LOSER at that!butchersapron
Bring back hanging
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Answer the point then VP - you can't cos you would have to confront the fact that you have lapsed into poisonous old leftism that rather than get to better political positions tries to score points at every possible moment. Old left OLd Left!
Here, I have clearly destroyed your arguement as any independent person would say, so you (earlier post -28.3.10 - 17:02) resort to name calling. Ha ha. LOSER!
You didn't make a point, attica. You just spewed up a bellyful of your usual bilious invective, and you started throwing your "ultra-left" abuse at me long before I bothered to "resort to name-calling".
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it means they are doing it your way.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
As usual, The Matgamnites don't give enough info for one to form an opinion either way. Who knows, maybe they've broken with their usual modus operandi and are actually participating in something constructive?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Harsh but fair.
One_Stop_Shop
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From speaking to a couple of people there are people involved other than the AWL including independents around Nottingham and the Socialist Party.
sihhi
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Propose (in brief): The demos are always on Saturday, the EDL hierarchy need to announce them many weeks in advance.
Sunday after a demo activists within whatever radius of town X plan a divesity festival, PC and fluffy but funky and edgy too in parts. Might sound a bit Hope Not Hate, but crucially not actually HNH
Maybe with permission and backing from the council, maybe not. Bands, faith groups invited, workshops, kids stuff, food etc. etc. Key would also be engaging with the local islamic community to get them involved in all aspects.
Evening could have a Peace Debate or something.
The nazi front would get their nasty demo on the Saturday, I suppose People can feel to go to a "UAF" thing and shout, not go or slag it off completely.
But people could also help with a Sunday event to help bring a positive buzz.
The way the EDL work they probably won't hit that town again for a year.
A lot of the propaganda war is in the eyes of the onlookers on a busy saturday in town. They do not like what they see. If the EDL did as much as they wanted, most of the public would almost certainly like it less. If we did a big exorcism the next day it would dissolve a lot of the propagnda.
This is all virtually meaningless.
Bolton has done this with the One Bolton Festival already, it had it in 2009, there's going to be another one in July 2010, it didn't stop those attitudes which blame immigration of labour and not emigration of capital for the nation's woes or the EDL.
http://www.bolton.gov.uk/website/news/Pages/OneBoltonFestivalendsonahighnote.aspx
One Bolton Festival in 2009:
The Black Hand
Unclean
In denial, still. PATHETIC.
You were caught short, trying to make a shite point about terminology. You were destroyed by the riposte. Ha HA.
The Black Hand
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Ha ha ha sad & deluded brothers grim.... Doing nothing together, supporting each others radical non intervention. Brilliant.
It would be tragic if it weren't so funny etc...
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Notable, and sorry if this has been said, that the Dudley demo wasn't much less attended than Bolton by the fash.
Yet there was less coverage and what there was made the EDL look a lot worse than they did in Bolton. Is is co incidence that the anti-demo was a lot further away?
I used to think Butcher's line was wrong, that we should still turn up to register our dissproval and prevent these people from marching. Now I aint so sure.
Yet there was less coverage and what there was made the EDL look a lot worse than they did in Bolton. Is is co incidence that the anti-demo was a lot further away?
I used to think Butcher's line was wrong, that we should still turn up to register our dissproval and prevent these people from marching. Now I aint so sure.
q_w_e_r_t_y
You see an investment scam and I see divinity
In Scotland the anti-SDL (EDL equivalents) protests have been pretty effective. It has to be said tho that the fash are much smaller up here.
They have attempted three demos, one in Glasgow which was a bit disorganised, but still effective
http://www.workersliberty.org/story...eague-setback-counter-mobilsation-disorganise
"As one dejected SDLer has commented on the SDL Facebook page: “What demo in Glasgow? People were too scared to leave the pub. What a fucking shambles wae people laughing at us. I’m embarrassed. People were literally laughing at us like we were clowns.”
one in Edinburgh which worked well
http://ssy.org.uk/2010/02/square-go-wi-the-sdl-in-edinburger/
"Bit then the victory wis sealed, mah wee chummos, cause the big stupit lookin wankers were paped oan eh bus, not a word fae thum, an they wur shipped oot, tae a hail ay’ “SCUM SCUM SCUM” fae us, an we gave ‘em a wee wave wi wur middle finger. Nice tae see yeese away ya cunts. "
and one in Lockerbie, that neither the anti-fash, the locals or the press knew anything about
http://www.indymediascotland.org/node/18666
(pics of the "large amount" of members holding their vigil here
http:// scottishdefenceleague.webs.com/lockerbiepressstatement.htm
There have been difficulties between local a-fs and UAF tactics, Glasgow and Edinburgh Anti-fascist Alliances are now meeting with a view to setting up a Scottish AFA to provide a rallying point for those who consider that different tactics can be more effective.
They have attempted three demos, one in Glasgow which was a bit disorganised, but still effective
http://www.workersliberty.org/story...eague-setback-counter-mobilsation-disorganise
"As one dejected SDLer has commented on the SDL Facebook page: “What demo in Glasgow? People were too scared to leave the pub. What a fucking shambles wae people laughing at us. I’m embarrassed. People were literally laughing at us like we were clowns.”
one in Edinburgh which worked well
http://ssy.org.uk/2010/02/square-go-wi-the-sdl-in-edinburger/
"Bit then the victory wis sealed, mah wee chummos, cause the big stupit lookin wankers were paped oan eh bus, not a word fae thum, an they wur shipped oot, tae a hail ay’ “SCUM SCUM SCUM” fae us, an we gave ‘em a wee wave wi wur middle finger. Nice tae see yeese away ya cunts. "
and one in Lockerbie, that neither the anti-fash, the locals or the press knew anything about
http://www.indymediascotland.org/node/18666
(pics of the "large amount" of members holding their vigil here
http:// scottishdefenceleague.webs.com/lockerbiepressstatement.htm
There have been difficulties between local a-fs and UAF tactics, Glasgow and Edinburgh Anti-fascist Alliances are now meeting with a view to setting up a Scottish AFA to provide a rallying point for those who consider that different tactics can be more effective.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
This is all virtually meaningless.
Bolton has done this with the One Bolton Festival already, it had it in 2009, there's going to be another one in July 2010, it didn't stop those attitudes which blame immigration of labour and not emigration of capital for the nation's woes or the EDL.
http://www.bolton.gov.uk/website/news/Pages/OneBoltonFestivalendsonahighnote.aspx
One Bolton Festival in 2009:
I am not necessarily against against these celebrations of the borough or campaigns that try and make sense of identity ( the Glasgow one with the Asian woman Rangers supporters was quite good i thought) but I wondered whether or not any of these had ever been evaluated? They could be bench marked against the old BVPI or the more recent Place survey perception data.
Fedayn
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Must have missed that one, that would be rather unusual too comparitively speaking given she was/is female. Most asian girls up here, especially Muslims, go to Catholic schools and as such in the main become/are Celtic fans like their schoolpals. Most asian boys go to non-denom (ie Protestant) schools and as such are in the main Rangers fans.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Best Value Performance Indicators?
Is that a joke? Are you a local government bureaucrat?
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