Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-25
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
There isn’t one Trotskyist position on the war , there are many ranging from support NATO to don’t support any imperialist states/ alliances to support Putin .They’ll probably all argue that their line is the most Trotskyist position , it’s what Titskyist groups do .
I’m not sure what your evidence is for the SWP being in the pro Putin camp ?
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
From their website, I thought this seemed rather sympathetic to Putin and Russia.
Maybe it was more cynical and aloof? West's last push in Ukraine before Trump's return
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I suspect it is the lack of full throated cheering on of the US. A common affliction.
Fez909
toilet expert
Report on the forced conscription drives inside Russia, including those with medical and essential work exemptions. It's grim reading, and must be scary living in fear like this.
theins.press
“The unwilling were tasered or had their papers signed for them”: Russia’s fall conscription drive reaches new levels of brutality
Russia’s fall military draft is drawing to a close. The nearer the end, the harsher the methods employed by recruitment officers tasked with meeting quotas. Law enforcement officers break into young men’s homes, dress in plain clothes to ambush them near buildings, and handcuff them in subway...
theins.press
TopCat
Putin fanboy
With reportage on this for both sides, talk of broken old men being forced to the front, surely it’s time to let go of stupid ambitions to contain and defang Russia and negotiate an end to the war?Report on the forced conscription drives inside Russia, including those with medical and essential work exemptions. It's grim reading, and must be scary living in fear like this.
“The unwilling were tasered or had their papers signed for them”: Russia’s fall conscription drive reaches new levels of brutality
Russia’s fall military draft is drawing to a close. The nearer the end, the harsher the methods employed by recruitment officers tasked with meeting quotas. Law enforcement officers break into young men’s homes, dress in plain clothes to ambush them near buildings, and handcuff them in subway...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Report on the forced conscription drives inside Russia, including those with medical and essential work exemptions. It's grim reading, and must be scary living in fear like this.
“The unwilling were tasered or had their papers signed for them”: Russia’s fall conscription drive reaches new levels of brutality
Russia’s fall military draft is drawing to a close. The nearer the end, the harsher the methods employed by recruitment officers tasked with meeting quotas. Law enforcement officers break into young men’s homes, dress in plain clothes to ambush them near buildings, and handcuff them in subway...
The electronic summons registry mentioned above isn't going to be a a silver bullet judging on the Ukrainian system which has been running for just over a year .
"In 2024, more than 6,000,000 citizens liable for military service did not update their personal data. This is subject to... a fine of between UAH 17,000 and UAH 25,500."
У 2024 році понад 6 млн військовозобов’язаних громадян не уточнили свої персональні дані вчасно | borg.expert – медіа-портал про борги та банкрутство
За це передбачена адміністративне стягнення – штраф у розмірі від 17 000 грн до 25 500 грн
ТЦК подали у розшук понад пів мільйона військовозобов'язаних з моменту повномасштабного вторгнення
Розшуком цих громадян займається Нацполіція.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Azov needs you! Recruiting for an English speaking international brigade. Ukraine’s highest profile combat unit to recruit English-speaking soldiers
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I wonder how many urbs will avail themselves of the opportunity
andysays
Love and solidarity
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Apparently they are nationalists rather than Waffen SS idolising fascist scum.
Here is a bit more from the article I posted above.
Azov, a volunteer brigade whose decade-old nationalist origins have made it a target of Russian propaganda, plans to form an international battalion to boost its numbers as Ukraine heads into a fourth year of full-scale war.
Here is a bit more from the article I posted above.
Azov, a volunteer brigade whose decade-old nationalist origins have made it a target of Russian propaganda, plans to form an international battalion to boost its numbers as Ukraine heads into a fourth year of full-scale war.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Old age or poor health not an obstacle.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The Guardians revisionism is astonishing to me. They know this is bullshit.
Here is a bit more from the article above.
“The brigade began life as a volunteer militia fighting Russian-backed separatists in 2014, and some of its leaders held ultra-nationalistic and far right views. Russia designated it a terror group in 2022, and for several years the US refused to supply it arms directly.
However, Azov has changed over a continuous decade of fighting. In the summer, a US review led to the end of the weapons ban, concluding the unit had not committed any human rights violations. At the time, Russia accused Washington of being willing to “flirt with neo-Nazis”, comments Azov members dismiss as propaganda.”
Here is a bit more from the article above.
“The brigade began life as a volunteer militia fighting Russian-backed separatists in 2014, and some of its leaders held ultra-nationalistic and far right views. Russia designated it a terror group in 2022, and for several years the US refused to supply it arms directly.
However, Azov has changed over a continuous decade of fighting. In the summer, a US review led to the end of the weapons ban, concluding the unit had not committed any human rights violations. At the time, Russia accused Washington of being willing to “flirt with neo-Nazis”, comments Azov members dismiss as propaganda.”
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Given your cheering of the armed Palestinian struggle are you then joining Hamas or PIJ?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The frodos and sams of this world perhaps
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Plenty here that support a broader Ukrainian fight against occupation rather than Azov specifically that you regularly snipe should go and join up, the same way you support a broader Palestinian struggle even if not Hamas or PIJ specifically, so feels kinda similar me.
Unless the whole, "You're so brave you go and fight" thing is more playground style taunting than anything meaningful...?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
This recruiting advert for Azov, unfortunately, mirrors that section of liberals who just turn a blind eye to rightwing elements if their aims match their own. Surely it's possible to be against the Russian invasion and also against Azov's ideology?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I think nuanced positions such as yours are getting pushed out of the way.
Elpenor
Well-Known Member
Perhaps some of them are just waking up after a late night
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Not to mention that you only have to follow a few vloggers to learn that the last thing Ukraine needs is a bunch of enthusiastic amateurs and armchair heroes barrelling out there and having a panic attack the first time someone drops something.
But the whole thing is premised on the silly notion that anyone who supports Ukraine is just some kind of war nut, so it's all rather pointless anyway.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
And also against (or critical of) the Ukrainian State and yet for the resistance against the occupation/fighting the Russian State and military. Although what exactly being for or against anything actually means for most/all of us in reality is another point.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
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