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Ukip - why are they gaining support?

brogdale said:
UKIP "....has descended into a terrifying "form of racist populism"....according to Sanya-Jeet Thandi, a member of the party's youth wing.

Sanya's last interview on C4 representing UKIP Youth was odd...she seemed a little less than coherent, and I do wonder if the other interviewee Awarte managed to talk some sense into her; I liked the cut of his jib.

http://bcove.me/4sewsd77
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I find this a bit odd, it's not as if the recent UKIP leaflets and posters represent a divergence from previous comments from the leadership of the party. Surely she knew exactly what she was getting into before this poster?
 
Over what time scale can we measure this descent? The kid is 21. She joined at 18. What's changed here: the party or young person developing their understanding of the world? The party hasn't as far as i can see.

Racial populism? Nope - not really. Nationalist populism - yes, certainly.
 
dilberto said:
Politics is not just economic it is also cultural.
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And the trad indigenous white man with his blah blah cultural traditions is not who you think and hasn't been for a long fucking time. You're the outsider here, you're the one trying to impose stuff on the indigenous population. You speak for no one.
 
andysays said:
If that Telegraph story is correct, he clearly did pick her out

So given that she is only "one of its honorary presidents", why should Farage (apparently, unless he reeled off a whole list of honorary presidents and it's the Telegraph singling her out) single her out?

And it looks like you owe an apology for not reading properly the story you're linking to and then attacking someone for understanding better than you what it actually says...
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Where is Farage's apology eh?

Speaking of unthought though shite:

HOPE Not Hate Call In Lawyers Over Nigel Farage Remarks About Violence Towards Ukip Members

On Tuesday, HOPE not hate revealed that the organisation has instructed its solicitors to write to Farage, demanding that he withdraw the "libellous allegations" and apologise.
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This whilst going all day moaning about UKIP bringing law into free debate. The also make the classic refutes mistake.
 
butchersapron said:
Over what time scale can we measure this descent? The kid is 21. She joined at 18. What's changed here: the party or young person developing their understanding of the world? The party hasn't as far as i can see.

Racial populism? Nope - not really. Nationalist populism - yes, certainly.
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I get the impression from her media appearances and the CiF piece that she was attracted to the idea of a party with a 'thatcherite' policy platform with the added bonus of making it possible for a greater proportion of in-migration from the new commonwealth, and specifically India. I agree that it appears to tell us more about her than UKIP, but it will almost certainly intensify claims of racism within the party.
 
brogdale said:
I get the impression from her media appearances and the CiF piece that she was attracted to the idea of a party with a 'thatcherite' policy platform with the added bonus of making it possible for a greater proportion of in-migration from the new commonwealth, and specifically India. I agree that it appears to tell us more about her than UKIP, but it will almost certainly intensify claims of racism within the party.
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Claims that i think they will ride easily out given her - let me in appeal to the tories.
 
brogdale said:
I get the impression from her media appearances and the CiF piece that she was attracted to the idea of a party with a 'thatcherite' policy platform with the added bonus of making it possible for a greater proportion of in-migration from the new commonwealth, and specifically India. I agree that it appears to tell us more about her than UKIP, but it will almost certainly intensify claims of racism within the party.
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Yes. If you watched her C4 interview with Awate, she dislikes how EU migrants have easier access to the UK than Indians. Despite the Tory government actually making it easier for students from the country to study here as it criminalises other minorities. It's not a brave move. I'm entirely cynical of her motives but it will certainly call into question the racism within the party.
 
Worth remembering

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1296205.ece

DAVID CAMERON’S election strategist is planning a covert campaign to target UK Independence party councillors and has suggested that the Home Office’s scheme for “go home” vans targeting illegal immigrants is flawed and has backfired.

Lynton Crosby, the Conservative party’s campaign chief, wants to launch a “below-the-radar” operation to undermine UKIP politicians by catching them making embarrassing comments.

He plans to monitor every council meeting attended by UKIP members and to launch an in-depth investigation into all 139 of the party’s newly elected councillors.

Crosby appears to be considering using third parties to assist and brief the press and has warned that the plan will be wrecked if anyone finds out the Tories are behind it.
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brogdale said:
I get the impression from her media appearances and the CiF piece that she was attracted to the idea of a party with a 'thatcherite' policy platform with the added bonus of making it possible for a greater proportion of in-migration from the new commonwealth, and specifically India. I agree that it appears to tell us more about her than UKIP, but it will almost certainly intensify claims of racism within the party.
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I've read a few anti EU bloggers who have looked at the switch towards anti immigration by UKIP with distaste. Its not that long ago it was about sovereignty.
 
gosub said:
I've read a few anti EU bloggers who have looked at the switch towards anti immigration by UKIP with distaste. Its not that long ago it was about sovereignty.
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Per Farage, it's not immigration per se but control of immigration, which is an aspect of sovereignty.
 
butchersapron said:
Where is Farage's apology eh? ...
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LEAVE NIGEL ALONE!!!1!
 
You may have a point to make beyond "isn't it horrible the way all the establishment is ganging up on poor old UKIP. This must prove they're, like, really anti-establishment and stuff", but if so you're totally failing to make it.

So why not put all the point scoring, one-upmanship and "my knowledge and analysis is bigger than yours" bullshit aside for a moment, and just focus on making your point in a clear and concise way.

ETA: forget that bit. I am genuinely interested in discussing the issues behind this rather than engaging in sniping and back biting
 
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