Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[belboid]

I think 4th, behind SNP. if only on seats rather than vote share

who UKIP?? Its all but impossible for the libscum to get a lower vote than the SNP, there's no way it'll happen. Tho they will be probable losers in terms of seat number (delicious irony). In terms of vote, it's going to be close for third, I suspect the scum (yellow version) will just beat the purple scum, and be (comparatively) well ahead of the green scum.

 

[gosub]

who UKIP?? Its all but impossible for the libscum to get a lower vote than the SNP, there's no way it'll happen. Tho they will be probable losers in terms of seat number (delicious irony). In terms of vote, it's going to be close for third, I suspect the scum (yellow version) will just beat the purple scum, and be (comparatively) well ahead of the green scum.

I know Scotland is only 10% of the UK population, but there is still something in the air since the referendum, so turn outs will be up,whilst in the rest of the country; "what colour bread do you want on your shit sandwich?" isn't going to have people voting in droves.

 

[treelover]

Go on, people... what party was she in 20 years ago? (Or what "we're not a party, we're a tendency within the Labour Party, honest!"?)

I remember being on the picket line with the Liverpool Dockers, when one of the scabs went sailing past, it was one of the '47' the Militant Liverpool councillors who had refused to set a budget in the mid 80's.

 

[treelover]

I am currently involved with a group of individuals who want to work with Christian candidates. Some of these candidates may, because of their disillusionment with the main parties, stand as independents. This means I cannot in all honesty join another party yet. I am leaving my options open

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ficial-reveals-why-she-now-supports-Ukip.html

Bit of a journey then, is she not aware that if we leave the EU, its very likely all the gains she must have fought for, such as the working time directive, will go out of the window

 

[belboid]

I know Scotland is only 10% of the UK population, but there is still something in the air since the referendum, so turn outs will be up,whilst in the rest of the country; "what colour bread do you want on your shit sandwich?" isn't going to have people voting in droves.

9%, and the SNP have dipped way below 50% now, so no way they'll get more than 4%, absolute max

 

[laptop]

Bit of a journey then, is she not aware that if we leave the EU, its very likely all the gains she must have fought for, such as the working time directive, will go out of the window

I think she's a bit doolally:

It is understood that Mrs Yeo left the Labour party after she was deselected on Monday night as a candidate for the 2015 local elections. It followed suggestions that she had failed to attend local council meetings.

Torygraph

 

[SpackleFrog]

I don't know. I could spend an hour looking - or I could wait for someone here who knows to show up

So you're dropping a hint that she used to be in The Militant because...?

 

[laptop]

So you're dropping a hint that she used to be in The Militant because...?

Nah, that was just one of the possibilities. Looked her up a little bit, and it seems more likely that she caught anti-EU rhetoric off others in her union...

 

[SpackleFrog]

Bit of a journey then, is she not aware that if we leave the EU, its very likely all the gains she must have fought for, such as the working time directive, will go out of the window

In case you haven't noticed the working time directive is irrelevant.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I remember being on the picket line with the Liverpool Dockers, when one of the scabs went sailing past, it was one of the '47' the Militant Liverpool councillors who had refused to set a budget in the mid 80's.

Which one?

 

[laptop]

In case you haven't noticed the working time directive is irrelevant.

How so? It's one of the real reasons for UKIP's existence, and the wish to get out of it is a major driver of the garagiste part of their funding, no?

 

[SpackleFrog]

How so? It's one of the real reasons for UKIP's existence, and the wish to get out of it is a major driver of the garagiste part of their funding, no?

It's commonplace in the kind of jobs where employers want to break the working time directive to insist that any new staff sign a waiver before being hired. If your employer doesn't ask you to sign a waiver at interview, they don't care about the working time directive.

Do you honestly think there are people funding UKIP so they can push for withdrawal from the EU purely to get rid of the working time directive?

Think it through eh?

E2A: If the working time directive mattered, the Tories would scrap it.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Harriet Yeo was not a "top Labour politician" as described by the Telegraph. She had been a local councillor and leader of a big trade union but was no longer either at the time of her resignation. The fact that she had not been attending council meetings suggests that she had become detached for a while. Her involvement with a Christian group seems a bit odd as well.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Harriet Yeo was not a "top Labour politician" as described by the Telegraph. She had been a local councillor and leader of a big trade union but was no longer either at the time of her resignation. The fact that she had not been attending council meetings suggests that she had become detached for a while. Her involvement with a Christian group seems a bit odd as well.

Why do you think it's odd that she's a Christian?

She was Chair of the national exec of the party, that's pretty important, more so than being a councillor.

 

[laptop]

Do you honestly think there are people funding UKIP so they can push for withdrawal from the EU purely to get rid of the working time directive?

Not solely, of course

E2A: If the working time directive mattered, the Tories would scrap it.

How would they do that without referral to the CJEU?

Think it through eh?

Over to you...

 

[SpackleFrog]

Not solely, of course



How would they do that without referral to the CJEU?



Over to you...

The reasons for small sections of business want out of the EU has nothing to do with workers rights of any kind - the EU doesn't safeguard those in any meaningful way. How do you think Greek workers feel about EU safeguards on their rights?

Major opted out of the social chapter, it wouldn't be immensely difficult for the Tories to opt out if they wanted to. That they don't bother shows it doesn't matter here (i know from personal experience of several jobs) and I'm guessing it's not an issue for employers elsewhere either.

 

[redsquirrel]

I think 4th, behind SNP. if only on seats rather than vote share

The SNP will take more seats than UKIP but there's no way they'll end up with a higher share of the vote. The UKIP vote would have to crash for that to happen.

 

[laptop]

[UKIP members] also seem outraged at the fact that in the program [Ukip: The First 100 Days, C4] this immigration crackdown is shown to create disorder on the streets. Well, it would. And I know it would, because if Ukip followed through with the policy of forced repatriation it floated during the Rochester by-election, I’d be one of the people out on the streets causing it.

A total putdown of UKIP as "the BNP in tweed".

What made me drop my marmalade was the fact that the bolded phrase appears in...









The Telegraph.

 

[gosub]

But it's Dan Hodges so it doesn't count.

 

[J Ed]

But it's Dan Hodges so it doesn't count.

Dan Hodges is one of those people who I would want to be on whichever the opposite side of me is. Also fuck him, he wants to riot for Frankfurt, Brussels and Camembert - Blairites don't give a shit about immigrants. It's not as if there haven't been multiple mass expulsions of immigrants from EU member states, and legislation in the north of the EU in multiple countries is moving towards the expulsion of EU migrants who are out of work. Anyone who rioted for the free movement of capital would be an idiot and Dan Hodges fits that bill.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Dan Hodges is one of those people who I would want to be on whichever the opposite side of me is. Also fuck him, he wants to riot for Frankfurt, Brussels and Brie - Blairites don't give a shit about immigrants.

He really does want to riot for Brussels. That's pretty, er, special right there.

 

[elbows]

Not 'So Macho' in Cov:

UKIP’s plan to parachute ‘pop preacher’ George Hargreaves into Coventry to stand as one of its General Election candidates has been scrapped after widespread criticism.

National party bosses had removed locally elected Coventry South candidate Mark Taylor and party members were briefed that this was to make way for the Rev Hargreaves, writer of Sinitta’s 1980s gay anthem ‘So Macho’.

But, after widespread public criticism and at least one UKIP candidate for the local council elections standing down as a result of the move, Mr Taylor has now been reinstated by UKIP.

Mr Hargreaves has had a colourful political career which included using profits from ‘So Macho’ to fund an anti-gay manifesto during elections in Scotland, and campaigning to have the dragon removed from the Welsh flag after describing it as ‘‘Satanic’’.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/ukip-scraps-general-election-plan-8670771

 

[brogdale]

Only the incredibly politically ignorant weren't going to expect that their vote, like the rest of the minor parties, wouldn't be squeezed a bit as the election got closer. The question is how great that squeeze will be, IMO I think they'll still take a greater share of the vote than will put them in third place.

Minor party squeeze over the course of an election campaign is certainly the conventional wisdom but, in the case of UKIP's (realistic) electoral prospects, I really don't think the headline, national % of popular vote is very relevant or useful.

The key question is how UKIP perform in the few tens of seats which they are actually targeting.

 

[Dogsauce]

It's the tory collateral damage I'm looking forward to, if everything goes to plan, then the delightful massive piss-and-moanfest on the right afterwards for the kipper vote having 'let Labour in'.

 

[brogdale]

It's the tory collateral damage I'm looking forward to, if everything goes to plan, then the delightful massive piss-and-moanfest on the right afterwards for the kipper vote having 'let Labour in'.

Yeah, but what we don't know enough about yet is the way the UKIP shedding will fall. There's evidence that those voters most recently attracted to UKIP have been former/potential Labour voters, but will they be more likely to 'return to mother' or will it be those former tories that have dallied longer with the 'kippers?

 

[butchersapron]

4 new tory held UKIP target seats polled by ashcroft (i'll check what # in the target seats they are in a sec):

In the four seats as a whole, 22% of 2010 Conservative voters naming a party said they intended to vote for UKIP in their constituency in May – though only just over half (51%) of Conservative-UKIP switchers said they ruled out going back to the Tories by election day.

More than one fifth (21%) of 2010 Labour voters also said they would switch to UKIP, as did 23% of 2010 Lib Dems (only one quarter of whose supporters from the last election said they would stay with them at the next).

 

[articul8]

I remember being on the picket line with the Liverpool Dockers, when one of the scabs went sailing past, it was one of the '47' the Militant Liverpool councillors who had refused to set a budget in the mid 80's.

this sounds like an unlikely story - who?

 

[nino_savatte]

Not even Deggsy would do that.

 

[andysays]

4 new tory held UKIP target seats polled by ashcroft (i'll check what # in the target seats they are in a sec):...

Something that seems to be missing there is any idea of how many previously-not-voters are now intending to vote UKIP (or whatever).

I don't think I've seen that being measured anywhere (though I might have missed it) and I'm wondering if it's potentially significant in confirming that support for UKIP is more about protest or rejection of the established parties than explicit agreement with the UKIP position (assuming we can completely seperate the two, which is probably not possible).

ETA crucial missing word "agreement"

 

[butchersapron]

Good timing this: Pictured with Nigel Farage: ex-public schoolboy in Chelsea fans racism storm