Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[SpookyFrank]

Your DNA determines your biological sex: the kind of skeleton you have, the type of germ cells you produce, and of course your genitals and secondary sexual characteristics. That's the material basis of biological sexual identity (not that the developmental process always proceeds as it should ~ developmental mishaps can occur and people with misformed or even dual sets of genitals are sometimes born).

Even at the genetic level though, sex is still non-binary. There are four or five viable heterosomal karyotypes observed in humans, even discounting chimerism which may be more common in humans than previously thought.

 

[belboid]

never been in the slightest bit true - i'm just not a fan of kow-towing to over-indulged middle-class teenagers with wildly unreasonable demands and an agenda to bully and victimize anyone who gets in their way...

whereas you can't tell the difference between doing whatever they say and being a socialist

yeah cos all trans activists are middle-class teenagers. Off you fuck with your lazy stereotypes

 

[Sea Star]

This is all why women have generally stopped trying to discuss this stuff in public. It just descends into aggressive finger pointing. Or punching.

some women.

It's also why trans people have stopped talking to TERFs. Yes, the aggressive finger pointing is tedious. But so is the doxxing and the campaigning to get our rights rolled back. So tedious.

 

[belboid]

I do. You too I imagine. Linky?

I suspect we're about to enter circular argument time, but here you go XX male syndrome - Wikipedia

 

[Das Uberdog]

yeah cos all trans activists are middle-class teenagers. Off you fuck with your lazy stereotypes

the idiot children you allowed to direct your life in the ISN certainly were

 

[Sea Star]

seriously mad levels of self-importance here.

and go on, seeing as i have not had a go at any trans people maybe you can tell me what my problem is? you're clearly so wise

i am a trans woman. You implied all trans women were violent teenagers. I'm neither. Your point disproven. It was merely a matter of logic. Now explain what you really meant.

 

[Jonti]

Come off it. If you want to address an issue that is faced by a bunch of people, your first port of call is to talk to the people involved, not to assume you know what their problem is and come up with a solution for them on that basis without even asking them. You're interested in science. Does that sound scientific to you? Does it sound like an approach that is likely to produce the correct answer?

This is straw man stuff.

Are you really oblivious to the harm that rigid sex-roles cause?

 

[belboid]

the idiot children you allowed to direct your life in the ISN certainly were

direct my life? You are fucking barking.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is straw man stuff.

Are you really oblivious to the harm that rigid sex-roles cause?

No I'm not. I posted as much earlier. There is a huge leap from that to seeing the erosion of rigid sex roles as somehow a 'cure' for transgender people to such an extent that they will no longer desire surgery. And if you talked to some trans people occasionally, you might realise that.

 

[SpookyFrank]

This is all why women have generally stopped trying to discuss this stuff in public. It just descends into aggressive finger pointing. Or punching.

I know plenty of women, cis and trans, who are capable of having discussions about these things without anyone shouting or punching anyone else.

 

[Jonti]

I suspect we're about to enter circular argument time, but here you go XX male syndrome - Wikipedia

Thanks. It's a rare sex chromosomal disorder. It's existence does not alter the substantive picture.

 

[belboid]

Thanks. It's a rare sex chromosomal disorder. It's existence does not alter the substantive picture.

aah, so now we're down from 'all' to 'substantive.' They are different things you know. And when it comes to actual human beings, it becomes rather a lot of people.

 

[Das Uberdog]

i am a trans woman. You implied all trans women were violent teenagers. I'm neither. Your point disproven. It was merely a matter of logic. Now explain what you really meant.

you're an idiot, i have never said nor implied that 'all trans' ANYONES are ANYTHING... other than trans.

you're pathetic

 

[Sea Star]

I have never questioned that the assault happened, nor said she deserved it. I do believe it is being ludicrously overblown to support a reactionary argument.

No-one's arguing about the stupidity of the person that threw the punch but beyond that I don't know what more can be hung on this one single event.

 

[Jonti]

But your chromosomes do. And your genitals too? That article flatly refutes some of the crap you were claiming.

No, them neither.

 

[Das Uberdog]

No-one's arguing about the stupidity of the person that threw the punch but beyond that I don't know what more can be hung on this one single event.

that's right... no significance to the build-up... no signficance to the profligation of violent anti-TERF discussion online and in trans-activist groups... no significance to the assault itself and no significance to the numbers of leftists determined to defend it...

nope, nothing to see here. nothing unusual in the slightest.

you're off your fucking rockers

 

[SpookyFrank]

you're an idiot, i have never said nor implied that 'all trans' ANYONES are ANYTHING... other than trans.

you're pathetic

You have talked about an 'overwhelming predominant culture' of something or other though. And you've declined to provide any evidence that such a culture exists. But no, you've clearly been careful to avoid making overt generalisations. Insinuations work just as well, and with less danger of being pulled up or asked to actually demonstrate a rational basis for what you're saying.

 

[Sea Star]

you're an idiot, i have never said nor implied that 'all trans' ANYONES are ANYTHING... other than trans.

you're pathetic

i'm just not a fan of kow-towing to over-indulged middle-class teenagers with wildly unreasonable demands and an agenda to bully and victimize anyone who gets in their way...

 

[Sea Star]

that's right... no significance to the build-up... no signficance to the profligation of violent anti-TERF discussion online and in trans-activist groups... no significance to the assault itself and no significance to the numbers of leftists determined to defend it...

nope, nothing to see here. nothing unusual in the slightest.

you're off your fucking rockers

no significance to your wild imagination and paranoia, no.

 

[Das Uberdog]

You have talked about an 'overwhelming predominant culture' of something or other though. And you've declined to provide any evidence that such a culture exists. But no, you've clearly been careful to avoid making overt generalisations. Insinuations work just as well, and with less danger of being pulled up or asked to actually demonstrate a rational basis for what you're saying.

i've provided loads of information which you've ignored - it's not my job to spoonfeed you if you can't be bothered following the discussion

 

[Das Uberdog]

nothing to do with all trans people is it you maniac

 

[Sea Star]

Thanks. It's a rare sex chromosomal disorder. It's existence does not alter the substantive picture.

gender dysphoria is rare too - what's your point?

 

[Jonti]

Even at the genetic level though, sex is still non-binary. There are four or five viable heterosomal karyotypes observed in humans, even discounting chimerism which may be more common in humans than previously thought.

That article is well worth a read, thanks. But I'm not sure of the relevance of Tiger beetles to the discussion

 

[Sea Star]

you maniac

You're on ignore

 

[Das Uberdog]

You're on ignore

Heaven forfend!! :'(

 

[Das Uberdog]

seriously, who is this self-important crybaby?

 

[SpookyFrank]

i've provided loads of information which you've ignored - it's not my job to spoonfeed you if you can't be bothered following the discussion

So you provided evidence for this culture of mindless violence in trans activism?

And presumably also an explanation for how a small group of marginalised and vulnerable people could sustain such levels of violence without ordinary decent civil society intervening somehow?

 

[Das Uberdog]

So you provided evidence for this culture of mindless violence in trans activism?

And presumably also an explanation for how a small group of marginalised and vulnerable people could sustain such levels of violence without ordinary decent civil society intervening somehow?

i don't have an explanation, i have a dumbfounded and appalled shock which i am expressing to you right now

 

[Das Uberdog]

how are you ignoring it?

 

[Das Uberdog]

Punch a terf