littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You don't need to speak to the people directly affected to know what's best for them?
As I said, high-handed. And pretty ignorant as an approach.
Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?
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As I said, high-handed. And pretty ignorant as an approach.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
No you muppet. If you born a male you have XY chromosomes; and if female XX chromosomes. That's just the way things are.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
demonstrably false. I encourage anyone to go and read what i actually said.
Das Uberdog
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right - the fact that they attacked the TERFs and that they're revelling in it, and think it's totally justified... that doesn't tell you anything worrying about the political culture of that group
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
So, your point is simply that shit gets overblown on the internet? Big news.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
as do I - please read AuntiStella's posts everyone
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I don't know, and I accept it's a really difficult area that often throws up less than ideal solutions.
But I do think on occasion cis-women should be able to define and decide who is allowed entry into certain groups or spaces and that might exclude some/all transwomen sometimes. Especially when the position that's often pushed by some transactivists is that you should be considered and treated as a women from the moment you say you identify as one.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Yes you've handed down your verdict. I can see that.
But the ignorance would seem to be on your side, unless you can take issue with what I actually wrote.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
my point is that there is clearly a problem in the culture of present liberation politics organising and supposed 'lefties' like you go out of your way to paper over it and dismiss it
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Aah, sorry, I thought you had recognised earlier that that was wrong. My apologies. You are wrong. There are XX males and XY females.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
No that's not amazing to me. Your biological sex does not determine your social gender identity.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
And eejits like you want to look the other way and pretend oppression isn't a thing any more.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
But your chromosomes do. And your genitals too? That article flatly refutes some of the crap you were claiming.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
I'd need a link to clarify what is meant here, please.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
There's language calling everyone a fascist somewhere on the internet.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
specifics please - not some vague wishy washy high handed view that trans women are second class women and could be excluded at a whim if enough people at the meeting decided they want to.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I'd have thought a scientist like you would know how to google
Jonti
what the dormouse said
I never said your chromosomes determine your social gender identity. If they did, we wouldn't even be having this debate.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
i was called a fascist in the Green Party thread - i thought it was what we did on urban.
Das Uberdog
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never been in the slightest bit true - i'm just not a fan of kow-towing to over-indulged middle-class teenagers with wildly unreasonable demands and an agenda to bully and victimize anyone who gets in their way...
whereas you can't tell the difference between doing whatever they say and being a socialist
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
you need to make your position clearer then. It seems very confused.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Come off it. If you want to address an issue that is faced by a bunch of people, your first port of call is to talk to the people involved, not to assume you know what their problem is and come up with a solution for them on that basis without even asking them. You're interested in science. Does that sound scientific to you? Does it sound like an approach that is likely to produce the correct answer?
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
once again 'pal', this isn't about you
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Jonti said:
I do. You too I imagine. Linky?
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
What about the social gender identity of a butch dyke trans woman who dresses like a man?
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
seriously mad levels of self-importance here.oh that's sooo me.OK. So - what's your beef with the other 99% trans people?
and go on, seeing as i have not had a go at any trans people maybe you can tell me what my problem is? you're clearly so wise
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