Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[Pickman's model]

cba

 

[MochaSoul]

Was that before or after she dismissed spanglechick as a 'cis woman without kids' and accused her of trying to derail the thread?

Before... way before

 

[Pickman's model]

No, I really did not. I asked for a single instance of someone with a male reproductive system who has ever has one of their own eggs fertilised, conceived and gestated a child, which I again have done above. This does not preclude women who are infertile, nor does it imply 'trans women are women'.

nuns not women i see

 

[Miranda Yardley]

those are shit grounds for your assertion.

#justsayin

No not really.

- 'sex is a spectrum you are binarist can't you think in shades of grey'
- 'if sex is not a binary then whatever trans women' are, they are not women
- 'sex is a spectrum but trans women are binary women waaaaaaaaaaaah'

#justsayin'

 

[Treacle Toes]

Before... way before

I definately missed that.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

nuns not women i see

You don't get this do you.

 

[pengaleng]

You don't get this do you.

projection.

 

[8ball]

This is where I get stuck. How do you begin the conversation wihtout defining terms?

Well, yeah. Some people seem to think defining agreed terms is divisive and dangerous.
Someone you disagree with might start using them.

 

[Pickman's model]

You don't get this do you.

run it past me one more time - it might be your explanation that's the problem

 

[Miranda Yardley]

projection.

That's not 'projection', silly.

"Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others."

 

[MochaSoul]

nuns not women i see

One big fat social evidence that nuns are women is that they are not allowed to become priests

 

[Miranda Yardley]

Well, yeah. Some people seem to think defining agreed terms is divisive and dangerous.
Someone you disagree with might start using them.

In any debate and especially this divisive and emotionally charged debate, defined terms are absolutely necessary.

 

[pengaleng]

this is embarrassing now.

 

[Pickman's model]

One big fat social evidence that nuns are women is that they are not allowed to become priests

bollocks

when did the church of england decree that?

 

[Miranda Yardley]

this is embarrassing now.

Sorry about your di... lack of substantive argument.

 

[MochaSoul]

Well, yeah. Some people seem to think defining agreed terms is divisive and dangerous.
Someone you disagree with might start using them.

How do you begin the conversation then?

 

[pengaleng]

Sorry about your di... lack of substantive argument.

lol patronising, but still talking about yerself.

i dont have an argument because you're failing to provide something logical to argue about. therefore insulting your intelligence is the option i have left.

if you want argument give something to argue about that isnt basic crap.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Sorry about your di...

What does this mean?

 

[8ball]

How do you begin the conversation then?

Death threats on Twitter are a popular opening gambit.

 

[Pickman's model]

Sorry about your di... lack of substantive argument.

we're all sorry about di here

 

[pengaleng]

we're all sorry about di here

i love princess di

 

[MochaSoul]

bollocks

when did the church of england decree that?

.

 

[Pickman's model]

.

yeh. you didn't know there were anglican nuns, did you?

 

[kabbes]

I haven't twisted them. You set the boundaries (defining man/woman) and imply this as a result.

Actually, MY set boundaries by defining the class "women" as including all individuals with the same reproductive systems that has allowed a single member of that class to have one of their own eggs fertilised, resulting in the conception and gestation of a child. There is nothing in that definition that says all members must have had one of their own eggs fertilised. They merely have to have the same reproductive system.

 

[8ball]

yeh. you didn't know there were anglican nuns, did you?

They are relatively stealthy tbf.

 

[Pickman's model]

They are relatively stealthy tbf.

yeh stealth nuns

 

[8ball]

yeh stealth nuns

 

[MochaSoul]

yeh. you didn't know there were anglican nuns, did you?

My response was to do with your disingenuous tactics. Don't assume too much about me. You may betray a tiny reach in imagination.

 

[19force8]

yeh stealth nuns

Oh no, not nuns chuck

 

[Pickman's model]

My response was to do with your disingenuous tactics. Don't assume too much about me. You may betray a tiny reach in imagination.

i'll take your post as a 'no'.