Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[Miranda Yardley]

I think this is disingenuous because the language you use in this debate, such as the way you phrased post 4494, shows that for you it is clear that the price of admission to discussion is to demand that we accept 'trans women are men'.

Well, no.

Please explain how 'trans women are women'.

 

[MochaSoul]

I think this is disingenuous because the language you use in this debate, such as the way you phrased post 4494, shows that for you it is clear that the price of admission to discussion is to demand that we accept 'trans women are men'.

Pot and kettle.

 

[MochaSoul]

What? My question? It was a serious question.

 

[pengaleng]

seriously if any of you cunts mention fertilisation of egg cells again you need to get a gcse science textbook. fucking wastes.

 

[Pickman's model]

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[pengaleng]

binary is just a simplification of a spectrum. it means fuck all.

 

[Pickman's model]

binary is just a simplification of a spectrum. it means fuck all.

yeh, you know that and i know that but miranda yardley struggles to comprehend things which aren't 1 or 0, yea or nay, woman or man.

 

[pengaleng]

I'd argue ,me points but yer all just too fucking thick, except dickmans.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well, no.

Please explain how 'trans women are women'.

Well, yes:

Having a political disagreement on whether adult males are men isn't being a dick.

Even your formulation of the disagreement includes your own ideological take. And this is typical of the way you have argued on this thread.

 

[pengaleng]

yeh, you know that and i know that but miranda yardley struggles to comprehend things which aren't 1 or 0, yea or nay, woman or man.

or shades of grey.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

binary is just a simplification of a spectrum. it means fuck all.

If sex is a spectrum, then 'trans women' are not women.

#justsayin'

 

[Pickman's model]

If sex is a spectrum, then 'trans women' are not women.

#justsayin'

on the grounds that...

 

[pengaleng]

and actually if everyones hormone levels were tested not many women would actually fit in the peak woman band

If sex is a spectrum, then 'trans women' are not women.

#justsayin'

you dunno wtf you're talking about tho, you dont even have a basic grasp of biology, I cant argue with this low intelligence.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

Well, yes:

Even your formulation of the disagreement includes your own ideological take. And this is typical of the way you have argued on this thread.

Are you going for #peakirony?

Please explain how 'trans women are women'.

 

[pengaleng]

gonna talk about the fertilised egg again?

that ships sailed, it's crap.

 

[Treacle Toes]

If sex is a spectrum, then 'trans women' are not women.

#justsayin'

Nor are women who can't produce, have fertilised and gestate eggs/have a baby by your earlier posts.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

and actually if everyones hormone levels were tested not many women would actually fit in the peak woman band

you dunno wtf you're talking about tho, you dont even have a basic grasp of biology, I cant argue with this low intelligence.

Sex is not based on hormone levels, it's based on reproductive class. Please find me a single instance of someone with a male reproductive system who has ever has one of their own eggs fertilised, conceived and gestated a child.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

Nor are women who can't produce, have fertilised and gestate eggs/have a baby by your earlier posts.

Nope, never made that claim. Please don't twist my words.

 

[pengaleng]

Sex is not based on hormone levels, it's based on reproductive class. Please find me a single instance of someone with a male reproductive system who has ever has one of their own eggs fertilised, conceived and gestated a child.

fuck off this is crap if you knew what you were talking about you wouldnt have said this because you'd know it'd make you look thick as shit.

 

[8ball]

What? My question? It was a serious question.

Ah - ok, soz.

Well, that article (meant to foster dialogue) leading to a flamestorm was a good example. We also get a lot of it on here.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

on the grounds that...

The irony that two dudes who suggest my thinking doesn't accommodate shades of grey fail to accommodate a shade of grey in their own thinking!

 

[MochaSoul]

Nor are women who can't produce, have fertilised and gestate eggs/have a baby by your earlier posts.

Actually she's also mentioned CAIS women as women by virtue of being socialised as such.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Nope, never made that claim. Please don't twist my words.

I haven't twisted them. You set the boundaries (defining man/woman) and imply this as a result.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

fuck off this is crap if you knew what you were talking about you wouldnt have said this because you'd know it'd make you look thick as shit.

Thank you for this dispersement, which confirms you don't have a substantive argument.

 

[pengaleng]

bellend.

 

[MochaSoul]

Ah - ok, soz.

Well, that article (meant to foster dialogue) leading to a flamestorm was a good example. We also get a lot of it on here.

This is where I get stuck. How do you begin the conversation wihtout defining terms?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Actually she's also mentioned CAIS women as women by virtue of being socialised as such.

Was that before or after she dismissed spanglechick as a 'cis woman without kids' and accused her of trying to derail the thread?

 

[Miranda Yardley]

I haven't twisted them. You set the boundaries and imply this as a result.

No, I really did not. I asked for a single instance of someone with a male reproductive system who has ever has one of their own eggs fertilised, conceived and gestated a child, which I again have done above. This does not preclude women who are infertile, nor does it imply 'trans women are women'.

 

[Pickman's model]

The irony that two dudes who suggest my thinking doesn't accommodate shades of grey fail to accommodate a shade of grey in their own thinking!

those are shit grounds for your assertion.

#justsayin

 

[pengaleng]

No, I really did not. I asked for a single instance of someone with a male reproductive system who has ever has one of their own eggs fertilised, conceived and gestated a child, which I again have done above. This does not preclude women who are infertile, nor does it imply 'trans women are women'.

that dont make women women you fucking idiot.

yer a fucking idiot

how can someone actually be this thick??

do a gcse biology refresher or something, jesus