Transgender hate crimes recorded by police go up 81%

[JudithB]

Maybe if you made that offer without using the phrase 'penis people' it would sound slightly more genuine.

Yes must not be an uppity woman and must make sure I police my language if I want to have a civil conversation. Bad lady

 

[Steel Icarus]

In fact the article says it's impossible to be sure. You seem determined trans people have it easier than anyone else and easier than they have said on these boards.

"Penis people"

 

[JudithB]

In fact the article says it's impossible to be sure. You seem determined trans people have it easier than anyone else and easier than they have said on these boards.

"Penis people"

And? Am I threatening literal violence and denying trans women the right to exist?

Or could there be a point that if the penis people were dealing with this it would not be happening?

 

[Steel Icarus]

And? Am I threatening literal violence and denying trans women the right to exist?

Or could there be a point that if the penis people were dealing with this it would not be happening?

The trouble is these penis people are made of straw

 

[SpookyFrank]

Yes must not be an uppity woman and must make sure I police my language if I want to have a civil conversation. Bad lady

Everyone has to consider their choice of words if they want to communicate with those who differ from them. If saying whatever you want is really your priority that's fine, but don't then pretend you're the one looking for compromise while everyone else is being unreasonable.

 

[JudithB]

OK I wont use the term penis people again

 

[ginger_syn]

And? Am I threatening literal violence and denying trans women the right to exist?

Or could there be a point that if the penis people were dealing with this it would not be happening?

This makes me slighty embarrassed to be a woman and begs the question will the phrase vagina people be used at some point

 

[Treacle Toes]

OK I wont use the term penis people again

Judith, straight up question?...Has the term 'penis people' gained traction in the wider/general debate because it will include trans women who retain male genitals?

 

[JudithB]

Judith, straight up question?...Has the term 'penis people' gained traction in the wider/general debate because it will include trans women who retain male genitals?

No
It was a throw away line but if i was to think about it I would not include trans women.
But it really shouldn't require interrogation as I was being flippant

 

[JudithB]

This makes me slighty embarrassed to be a woman and begs the question will the phrase vagina people be used at some point

You are kidding me?

We are already referred to as "people who get pregnant", "cervix havers" and more

 

[SpookyFrank]

You are kidding me?

We are already referred to as "people who get pregnant", "cervix havers" and more

Probably better all round not to get into a race to the bottom with that sort of language then.

 

[JudithB]

No
It was a throw away line but if i was to think about it I would not include trans women.
But it really shouldn't require interrogation as I was being flippant

Woman says something flippant: Bad lady. Police that language

BBC, NHS, Cancer Charities continually use dehumanising language against women: Crickets

 

[Treacle Toes]

No
It was a throw away line but if i was to think about it I would not include trans women.
But it really shouldn't require interrogation as I was being flippant

Okay.

My initial thoughts are it's interrogated because it is so objectifying.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Woman says something flippant: Bad lady. Police that language

BBC, NHS, Cancer Charities continually use dehumanising language against women: Crickets

I have enjoyed the BBC's coverage of the Cervix Havers World Cup though.

 

[JudithB]

I have enjoyed the BBC's coverage of the Cervix Havers World Cup though.

 

[JudithB]

Okay.

My initial thoughts are it's interrogated because it is so objectifying.

The poor menz feelz eh

 

[smokedout]

When liking tweets is considered a hate crime one has to be wary of these stats

Challenging Thought Crime: HarryTheOwl v The College of Policing

And yes the most recent official statistics showed hate crimes against transgenderw people were more likely to involve violence against the person than any other strand.

You're a nasty piece of work pursuing this line.

 

[smokedout]

Poppycock to conflate the issues

Example one - Opppressor class
Example two - Oppressor class
Example three - Oppressor class

Women critical of gender - Oppressed class

You don't think working class people concerned about the possible impact of migration on wages are an oppressed class?

Says it all, you moan about identity politics but really it's all you've got.

 

[Treacle Toes]

The poor menz feelz eh

Oh stop it! Myself and another woman on this thread have interacted with the point so it's not just men being sensitive. Language is important isn't it?

We don't like it do we? Fanny havers, pregnant people, dolly birds, menstraters etc..

 

[Steel Icarus]

The poor menz feelz eh

Steady. Your agenda is showing.

 

[JudithB]

You're a nasty piece of work pursuing this line.

And somebody becomes personal

I think somebody doesn't like women asking questions.

Thank you for the link. I will have a read

 

[JudithB]

Steady. Your agenda is showing.

My agenda is female people have the right to discuss issues. If they say something that might happen to upset men then they have the right to continue discussions and ignore attempts to shut them down. It's that simple

 

[Steel Icarus]

My agenda is female people have the right to discuss issues. If they say something that might happen to upset men then they have the right to continue discussions and ignore attempts to shut them down. It's that simple

Nah, you want to be able to say what you want uncritically and when challenged claim flippancy, or that teh menz do it, or get passive aggressive about being a bad lady, etc etc. At the very least show some fucking honesty.

 

[JudithB]

smokedout I cannot find the stats you mention. This is what I found. And the chart on the following page did not provide the info you stated. If I am looking in the wrong place, please let me know.

Sexual orientation, disability and transgender identityIn 2017/18, the police recorded 11,638 sexual orientation hate crimes (up 27%), 7,226 disability hate crimes (up 30%) and 1,651 transgender identity hate crimes (up 32%). These large percentage increases across all three strands may suggest that increases are due to the improvements made by the police into their identification and recording of hate crime offences and more people coming forward to report these crimes rather than a genuine increase...

...Transgender identity hate crime was the least commonly recorded hate crime in all 44 forces

 

[smokedout]

smokedout I cannot find the stats you mention. This is what I found. And the chart on the following page did not provide the info you stated. If I am looking in the wrong place, please let me know.

You have to look through the report, not just at the first couple of pages.

 

[JudithB]

You have to look through the report, not just at the first couple of pages.

It's only 40 pages long mate

Pages 15 to 19 and pages 27 and 28 seemed the most relevant and I quoted from 15 and 16.

What have a I missed?

 

[ginger_syn]

You are kidding me?

We are already referred to as "people who get pregnant", "cervix havers" and more

Oh well thats fine lets all descend into puerile name calling on a thread about violence against transpeople, though i suppose its slightly better than the total dismisal of the facts or the whataboutery or the how very dare you's, never mind being embarassed about being a woman i'm embarassed to be a human being right now.

 

[JudithB]

The attempts at silencing someone is quite unbelievable.

Total capitulation or be damned

Get over yourselves guys


smokedout and I are managing to discuss Home Office stats even though they called me a nasty piece of work. I think others can get over me flippantly using the term penis people

ETA and I have made it clear I was not including trans women. No outrage needed

 

[spanglechick]

You are kidding me?

We are already referred to as "people who get pregnant", "cervix havers" and more

Both those terms are to include trans men. It’s really important that trans men are included in cervical cancer initiatives. Talking about “people with cervixes” rather than “women” is more polite and inclusive. It doesn’t erase my womanhood if I notice that trans men are being included.

 

[JudithB]

Both those terms are to include trans men. It’s really important that trans men are included in cervical cancer initiatives. Talking about “people with cervixes” rather than “women” is more polite and inclusive. It doesn’t erase my womanhood if I notice that trans men are being included.

Most trans men I know really don't give a shit and in fact being included insults them and accentuates their dysphoria. It is not trans men who are kicking up a fuss about not being included.

ETA and it's not all about you