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Transgender hate crimes recorded by police go up 81%

The GCs are still crowing as if Cass 'proves' that trans people, journalists, supportive politicians and medical specialists in trans healthcare are definitively wrong and now they are obviously vindicated and everyone owes them an apology and retraction of all their views.
 
Yeah but on Facebook, Twitter and Bluesky i can block the TERFs and transphobes, here they just keep on keeping on, and never go away.
Almost certain that you will be here long after the phobes have had their say.

Just take a gander at their posting history and you'll see how easily they fail to back up their wibblings and how they tend to get zero likes for their bigotry.
 
Whenever people bring up trans women in sport the theme seems to be that trans women are stronger and therefore they have an unfair advantage over cis women. If you mention the huge diversity in size, strength and speed in cis women they'll then go for scare tactics like 'a woman could be killed!!' But like surely with contact sports like mma aren't there are weight categories and such? It just feels like we have the ability to measure and collect data and make sure its a fair fight/race/game/event ....so why don't we just do that instead of banning trans women? We have the fucking means to let sport be inclusive of everyone. Its not nearly as complicated as some make out imo.

And the whole changing room thing is ridiculous. There are plenty of dad's taking their daughters into male changing rooms all the time....funny how people aren't up in arms about that init.
 
And when there is evidence to the contrary - such as the first official report commissioned by the International Olympic Committee, which came to the shocking conclusion that 'it's complicated' and they "caution against precautionary bans and sport eligibility exclusions that are not based on sport-specific (or sport-relevant) research" - is immediately attacked as disgusting and outrageous, ohh, and low quality. Doesn't count. Not fair.

eg last Thursdays Telegraph's

IOC accused of new low by funding study that claims trans women are at a disadvantage

 
I guess this is one area where I've been a bit more wary of blanket inclusion, because it does feel like there could be unfair advantages. But I completely recognise I haven't read the science and I'm basing that on the sort of gut feeling that isn't a basis for making policy.

Surely though there should be a sport specific response to this, as what can be advantageous in one sport may not be in another, and lots more research to define some sensible boundary lines (recognising at times these might rule out a cis woman too).

I guess what I'm saying is that this is perhaps the hardest bit (and perhaps least important) of the equality argument to win, so really needs lots of evidence to win the public round.
 
Blair Hamilton's work for her PhD blows quite a few holes in the myths pushed by the trasnsphobes about women's sport
Ooh, deets? I follow women's football and it enrages me how few TERFs take any interest in women's sport when trans people aren't involved. "But women's football is shiiiite, it's Sunday Leeeeague." Get in the fucking sea. I saw a women's game with my Chelsea fan stepdad and it was better than some men's games I've seen. Trans people have been allowed to compete for years but it's only become an issue now. A group of women footballers had TERFs protesting at their game because they had a trans team mate and the TERFs called them 'handmaidens'. How dare footballers defend their team mate.

Sharron Davies has gone full right-wing anti-woke grifter now too. I play quizzes on Funtrivia and was not happy to see a quiz about her that had nasty little digs at trans people in it. I don't want to see that crap on there. Incidentally, when Laurel Hubbard competed, she came last and TERFs still whined about how she was taking the place from another woman, and how it was a TRA plot to fool us.
 
Prosecco stormfront deciding that displays of trans art are no longer acceptable, using Cass as their justification.


It's very likely "Because Cass said so* is going to be the reason behind attempts to cancel Trans Pride, and trans rights events like it around the UK.

If they can bounce a display of art out, they'll go for books about gender next - just like happened in the US, and just like people have been warning about for some time.
 
Prosecco stormfront deciding that displays of trans art are no longer acceptable, using Cass as their justification.


It's very likely "Because Cass said so* is going to be the reason behind attempts to cancel Trans Pride, and trans rights events like it around the UK.

If they can bounce a display of art out, they'll go for books about gender next - just like happened in the US, and just like people have been warning about for some time.

This whole "women's group" thing across the media now needs to be perpetually challenged. They are not women's groups they are little enclaves of privileged conservatives with a small c, tending towards fascism, potentially, financially backed by extreme right wing christian groups.
 
thats the key bit, innit? Blanket inclusion or exclusion can’t be justified (at a professional level) but each case must be properly assessed.
this isthe fundamental issue

there has bene significant fraudulent reporting of studies which attempted to answe r the question bur failed at the first turn with not recruiting athletes of any kind , never mind elite athletes

the work Hamilton has done and the work Harper has attempted ( before alienating most of the trans community in the UK ) set out to address this , not that Harper actually managed to recruit many subjects with the stupid restrictions she placed ( claimed to be external pressures) on recruiting - we had the situation with Harper;s work where a Ballerina would be rejected yet the most casual ballroom dancer accepted for the study ...
 
Prosecco stormfront deciding that displays of trans art are no longer acceptable, using Cass as their justification.


It's very likely "Because Cass said so* is going to be the reason behind attempts to cancel Trans Pride, and trans rights events like it around the UK.

If they can bounce a display of art out, they'll go for books about gender next - just like happened in the US, and just like people have been warning about for some time.
Oh yeah, they will try.

It's so frustrating because polls show time and again that the British public are really not generally transphobic, but thanks to a minority of wankers given a massive platform by just about every media outlet, we're now 'TERF Island'
 
This is Muffin. No matter how many times I correct him, he continues to pronounce hyperbole - hyper bowl. It's quite cute actually. Unlike transphobia as an Internet sport, which he finds very distasteful.

o hai, muffin.

This is why i left Urban when i saw the transphobia upticking. I've successfully not been angry about this for a few years a
now and i wanted to keep it that way. but fuck it, I'm angry again now!

blargh

Yeah but on Facebook, Twitter and Bluesky i can block the TERFs and transphobes, here they just keep on keeping on, and never go away.

there is an ignore person / thread function here. there's times it's necessary to maintain a health blood pressure / reduce the chance of being banned for telling someone who really needs it to fuck off.

i use it very sparingly, in general i'd rather see what people are saying and make an informed choice not to engage with them, but there's times it's needed.
 
there is an ignore person / thread function here. there's times it's necessary to maintain a health blood pressure / reduce the chance of being banned for telling someone who really needs it to fuck off.

i use it very sparingly, in general i'd rather see what people are saying and make an informed choice not to engage with them, but there's times it's needed.
oh, believe me, i've been using for a while now. It still doesn't protect you from the shit that's being fired at you as others see it, and reply to it, so you see the replies, and it becomes obvious you've ignored someone, so you get shit for that, etc. etc. I would prefer to prevent them from seeing me tbh. So i use it sparingly, but it doesn't really help a lot.
 
Oh yeah, they will try.

It's so frustrating because polls show time and again that the British public are really not generally transphobic, but thanks to a minority of wankers given a massive platform by just about every media outlet, we're now 'TERF Island'
I think i've already posted about a kid in my taxi who i overheard talking about how he thought he had every right to bully a young trans girl that attended his school, and used a speech by the prime minister to justify himself. We have a system now that is empowering the worse kind of prejudiced bully, and you know they are not going to stop at bullying trans kids.
 
I think i've already posted about a kid in my taxi who i overheard talking about how he thought he had every right to bully a young trans girl that attended his school, and used a speech by the prime minister to justify himself. We have a system now that is empowering the worse kind of prejudiced bully, and you know they are not going to stop at bullying trans kids.
he deserves derision for parroting anything Sunak says
 
The other thing that pises me off is i constantly see people claiming that no "woman" (ie, trans man) has ever tried to compete against men, so its a non issue.
As well as not existing, we also aren't/shouldn't be allowed to compete against cis men in case they break our fragile little bodies (but bOnE dEnSiTy) but also when we do win anything it's cheating because testosterone.

Good thing we aren't real proper men or we'd never be able to manage all this multitasking.
 
This one is a mild concern.


This review has been ongoing for a year or so, and that it seems they're checking what they found compared to Cass rather than adopting Cass might be a good thing. Stakeholders being consulted may also mean trans healthcare organisations have been involved.

NZ has a devolved gender healthcare system, so it's not just one clinic like GIDS - the bottleneck that was correctly identified. This has led to more young trans folks getting puberty blockers here, simply because access was better. Our local transphobes hate this.

We also banned conversion therapy, and they hate that too.

And we've got gender self id on passports, driving licenses and birth certificates for NZ born people. They hate that too.

So heartened that this review has taken place seemingly independent of Cass, in a different healthcare environment than the UK. Worried that this could be a setback for Lgbtqi healthcare after a solid decade of progress since gay marriage.
 
I think i've already posted about a kid in my taxi who i overheard talking about how he thought he had every right to bully a young trans girl that attended his school, and used a speech by the prime minister to justify himself. We have a system now that is empowering the worse kind of prejudiced bully, and you know they are not going to stop at bullying trans kids.
A work colleague had his trans son bullied at school by a kid using Sunak's bs as a 'justification'
 
Update: got in touch with the chair of PATHA here, and she isn't one of the stakeholders on this. They have been contracted to update the guidance on pbs though.

Do like living in a country where you can just hit up someone like that and get a response in ten minutes.
 
Of all people Jeremy Clarkson has actually done something rather good for trans people as someone who might actual influence knee-jerk types in the right direction - he captures in many ways what I've been saying about why the hell should people be so bothered about trans people, and that most people do lean towards letting people just live their goddamn lives:

 
Of all people Jeremy Clarkson has actually done something rather good for trans people as someone who might actual influence knee-jerk types in the right direction - he captures in many ways what I've been saying about why the hell should people be so bothered about trans people, and that most people do lean towards letting people just live their goddamn lives:


He was also a big remainer too…bastard.
 
Dr Cass met with The Kite Trust, and LGBTQI support charity and when asked about how the media reported on her report has outright denied the report says what the media says it does and walked back some of what is in the report.

As has happened before though, the anti trans elements in the media have already literally run around the world with their version of this before any other.


Are all the recommendations made in the Cass Review Report now in effect straight away?

No. The Cass Review Report made recommendations to NHS England. NHS England is now responsible for reviewing them and deciding if, how, and when aspects would come into effect.

Is the Cass Review Report advocating for all trans healthcare for 18-25 year olds to be stopped? Is the Cass Review Report saying that trans people would be better off if they didn’t transition?

The Cass Review Report made a recommendation for a follow through service for 17-25 year olds connected to the children’s service because there have been issues with individuals having gaps in their care when being transferred between children and adult services at the age of 17. The word ‘transition’ was used in the report to mean a transition between NHS services and not in reference to gender transition.

Dr. Cass feels this is important that young people get a continuity of care and that they are properly supported, potentially by seeing the same doctors, nurses and other specialists beyond the age of 17.

Anyone referred for the first time aged 18 or over would be directed straight to an adult service, as is currently the case, and the proposal would also allow those who were first seen as children to move to opt into moving to an adult service when they wanted to do so.

It is outside of the remit of the Cass Review to say anything about the prescription of gender affirming
hormones from the age of 18 onwards and there are no recommendations made around this matter in the report.

If the 18-25 follow-through system were to come into being, what would it look like?

Dr. Cass would like to see trans people never having a gap in care between children’s and adults’ services –which has been too often the case previously. As such, the recommendation is for there to be two streams of care provided for 18-25 year olds. The first would offer continuity of care for those who have been patients of a children’s service and the second would be a route for direct referral into adult services as is currently the case.

It is noted that the period around transferring from children’s to adults’ services has correlated with high risks
around mental health and wellbeing, and an aim of the follow-on service is to address this and ensure support is available. The service is envisioned as a new provision to further expand the capacity and access to gender affirming healthcare for 18-25 year olds.

Is Dr. Cass against a ban on conversion therapy?

Dr. Cass has stated that there should be zero tolerance for conversion practices and it should be a matter
for a regulator to investigate if anyone is found to be causing harm in this way. Dr. Cass is keen for legislators to enact a ban on conversion practices, and that this ban should come with enough support for NHS staff to understand the difference between conversion practice and supporting young people who are yet fully certain about their gender identity.

Does Dr. Cass believe puberty blockers are unsafe drugs? If so, why is OK for them to be prescribed to cis kids and not trans kids?

The Cass Review Report does not conclude that puberty suppressing hormones are an unsafe treatment.
The report supports a research study being implemented to allow pre-pubertal children to have a pathway to
accessing this treatment in a timely way and with suitable follow up and data collection, to provide theh ighest quality of evidence for the ongoing use of puberty suppressing hormones as a treatment for gender dysphoria.

In the data the Cass Review examined, the most common age that trans young people were being initially prescribed puberty suppressing hormones was 15. Dr. Cass’s view is that this is too late to have the intended benefits of supressing the effects of puberty and was caused by the previous NHS policy ofr equiring a trans young person to be on puberty suppressing hormones for a year before accessing gender afffirming hormones.

The Cass Review Report recommends that a different approach is needed, with
puberty suppressing hormones and gender affirming hormones being available to young people at different
ages and developmental stages alongside a wider range of gender affirming healthcare based on individual
need.

Is the Cass Review Report saying that being trans can be caused by neurodiversity, mental health
conditions, or traumatic experiences?


No. Dr. Cass believes that all people should get all of their care needs addressed, and that includes trans
people. The Cass Review Report includes recommendations around support for neurodiversity, mental
health and the effects of childhood trauma because previously trans people have been denied the sames upport as their cisgender peers and an expectation has been set that all of their care should be provided through gender services.

Dr. Cass is keen to see a cross-over of professionals involved in the new children’s gender services, including those with expertise in neurodiversity, to best support the patients of these services and service users. Dr. Cass has stated that mental health needs (including depression, anxiety, and eating disorders) should be addressed with the same evidence-based interventions for all children, regardless of whether they are trans or cis.

Why were 100 out of the 102 studies on puberty blockers and hormones rejected? Could you explain the Newcastle-Ottawa scale, and why you chose this scale above all others, outside of its use in the 2020 UoY study cited in 14.19? Would it not be wise to have used a scale that didn’t prioritise randomised control trials, since double-blinding using hormone treatments is impossible?

Randomised Control Trials (RCTs) are considered to be the highest form of evidence in medicine, but not the only marker of quality for a study. Dr. Cass agrees that it is inappropriate and not possible to conduct a ‘double-blind’ study (where participants in the study do not know whether or not they are receiving treatment) in this instance.

Within the evidence considered, Dr Cass stated that there were hardly any RCTs in the existing studies, and that study type was not the main factor in deciding whether studies were included. Factors around the size of the study as well as the period and extent of follow-up were part of the decision-making process on rating the quality of the evidence.

The Cass Review Report took evidence from studies that were deemed medium quality as well as from the two that were deemed high quality. Dr. Cass stated that many of these studies didn’t necessarily provide evidence for what they needed them to look at – particularly the psychological impacts over an extended period of time.

Dr. Cass feels that the NHS now has a challenge to build trust from trans young people and asks those who
are of the right age to get involved in studies on gender affirming treatments to ensure that we have the highest quality of evidence going forwards. Dr. Cass wants the community to be involved in designing high quality studies and for the new children’s gender services to have the research infrastructure to deliver these.

What was the motivation behind Dr. Cass’s meeting with Patrick Hunter, architect of Florida’s anti-trans SB 254 bill in 2022? Did this inform the report?

Patrick Hunter approached the Cass Review stating he was a paediatrician who had worked in this area. The Cass Review team were not aware of his wider connections and political affiliations at this time and so
he met the criteria for clinicians who were offered an initial meeting. This initial contact was the same as any
paediatrician who approached the study.

The Cass Review team declined any further contact with Patrick
Hunter after this meeting. Patrick Hunter and his political connections has had no influence on the content of the Cass Review Report.
 
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